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phil_2009
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I passed my bike test in March 2006 after which I bought a VFR800. Unfortunately, I received a knee injury in the July of that year (not because of the bike) and ended up having to get rid of my bike. I've not had one since but am desperate to get back on, however, I don't know what bike to get. My VFR was the first bike i'd ever ridden (other than the bikes I used when doing my CBT and DAS) and I was quite nervous on it as a new rider. I've now not ridden for so long and i'm anxious about getting back on.
I am 29 and would be using the bike for a 60 mile round trip to work in all weathers and on shifts including nights. I would also use it when not in work just for the fun of it. I would also need to take a couple of items to and from work everyday (nothing massive!).

Can you help?

I asked a friend for advice and said that I was thinking that I needed a comfortable bike that offered excellent protection from the weather. I also mentioned that I needed a bike that would be forgiving if I made any mistakes as a result of being such a novice. His advice was that I can get any bike and as long as i don't open the throttle too much it would forgive me...i'm not so sure on that!

Anyway, i look forward to receiving your recommendations/suggestions and would like to thank you in advance.

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The VFR is a pretty big step

The VFR is a pretty big step as a first big bike, I'm not surprised you were nervous on it. My first thought as a good choice for you now would be a Kawasaki Versys - this is quick enough to be fun without being intimidating and it's a great all rounder. I really like the upright, trail-bike-type riding position on this and a few other bikes, it makes them a lot easier around town especially but it's also more comfy and spacious at other times - if your knee is still dodgy this would be a bonus too. You can get additional luggage for the Versys from Kawasaki or aftermarket suppliers like Givi. If you can, go for the ABS version as knowing you can't lock up your brakes does wonders for your confidence and it helps you to learn just how much grip you really have (you'll be amazed at just how hard you can brake in the wet...).
A similar bike and another good choice is the Suzuki V-Strom 650 - same riding position and versatility, a bit cheaper although the corrosion resistance isn't so good. Kawasaki has a new ER-6f for 09 - there's a test of the ER-6n (the unfaired version) in the Bike Test Archive on here. Or there's always the Suzuki Bandit 650 if you prefer a four-cylinder engine - that comes with or without a fairing, and it sounds like you need the faired version. That's cheap but good, dependable and there are loads of them around.
You get the best weather protection from a Honda Deauville, and it's easy to ride too. It's reasonably quick but not especially exciting, although it does come with integrated luggage.
I'll post tests of the Versys and Deauville on here in the next couple of days so you can check them out more closely. If any of these don't grab you then ask for more ideas, I've got plenty!
Not sure about your friend's throttle advice either btw!

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Thanks for your response. I

Thanks for your response.

I should have said that my journey includes approx:
7 miles of 30/40mph roads (mainly dual carriageways or through villages)
5 miles of national speed limit country lanes
10 miles of motorway
6 miles of national speed limit dual carriageway

Having looked at the bikes (with my VERY amateur eye) it looks to me that the only one that would offer enough protection on the motorway/dual carriageways would be the Deauville but please feel free to correct me if i'm wrong.

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It really depends on how much

It really depends on how much protection you want I. No bike is going to keep you dry in the rain so you'll always need wet weather gear regardless, so really the best you can expect is not to feel blasted by the wind when you're doing 90mph on the motorway. An unfaired bike will be tiring at those speeds but you'd be surprised at how a relatively small fairing can cut the windblast to acceptable levels. Certainly the V-Strom and Versys are fine for all-day riding at those speeds - I had a V-Strom for a year and did many motorway miles in comfort, and I'm 6'3" so on some bikes I do cop a wind blast on my head. Having said that, and re-reading your first message, I think the Deauville sounds like the best option. As I said, it's not as lively or fun as the Versys but you can carry stuff without fitting extra luggage, it's comfy and has the best weather protection, and in fact is the only proper middleweight touring bike you can buy. Oh, and it has the most reliable, long lasting engine of just about any motorcycle ever! I'll be posting a test of the latest model, which came out just over a year ago, on here soon. Earlier versions go back many years but they do hold their price well (bad news when buying, good news when you're selling again).
Feel free to ask more!

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Thanks again for your

Thanks again for your reply.

What would your thoughts be on a R1200RT?

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Phil - I am not Kevin (of

Phil - I am not Kevin (of course) and his opinion I have no doubt is much more valid than mine as he has ridden a whole load more machines than I. As this is a public area I shall offer my opinion too, if you don't mind.
In light of what you have said about being nervous on the VFR then I would have thought that you may well feel something similar on the RT. It is physially a big bike and has around 110 hp on tap, which I think is pretty similar to the VFR. Kevin will be better placed than I to say how the delivery of that power is compared to the VFR but even though it is a touring bike, it will still be able to up its skirts, if given a handfull, I am sure. If you compare the weight of the BMW to the Versys etc then you will be looking at a significant number of extra kilos to be dealing with. The weather protection I have no doubt would be excellent and would be good on your commute!

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First of all I think all

First of all I think all opinions which are considered and thought through are equally valid, and there are plenty of people with loads of experience who still manage to have some mighty weird opinions!
The RT is a big bike and it will definitely give you just about the best weather protection you'll get from any motorcycle - this is looking to be one of the most important factors for you - and the engine feels softer and more forgiving than the VFR's if only because the weight of the bike takes the punch out of it. But... big touring bikes can feel very unwieldy at lower speeds and when you're manoeuvring them at walking pace, parking and so on, much more top heavy than other kinds of bikes. The latest RT is better than the older models in this respect but for an inexperienced rider it can still be rather daunting. If you're tall it's easier but I'd strongly recommend going to a BMW dealer and not just sitting on one but asking to move it around (with someone standing on the other side to catch!), and probably they'll let you take it out for a test ride too, which you really must do if at all possible. If you get on with it in this respect, then go for it as I don't think the engine and power delivery will make you nervous like the VFR's did.

phil_2009
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Well i'm nearly 2 months on

Well i'm nearly 2 months on and still looking.

I liked the Deauville and the R1200RT but both meant putting quite large deposits down and then spending a fair bit each month (even on used models!). It started making me think how i'd feel if I dropped either of them whilst i'm still 'learning'! Therefore, i'm thinking of getting something a bit cheaper (ok, a lot cheaper in comparison to the BMW!!) and which i'm guessing will be a bit older. I'm still looking to use it for the same things etc etc.

Sorry to come back again...but any ideas?

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Phil I have an RT and for

Phil

I have an RT and for all-round comfort and weather protection it's one of the best bikes I've ever had. It is large, expensive and can take some getting accustomed to however it does get "Under your skin" and the 1150 RT which preceeded it is also all of those things plus is cheaper to boot.

Consider also the previous generation Honda Deauville. They've got shaft drive, integrated luggage and a comfy riding position. Plus they're reasonably priced now too.

Good luck!

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I reckon it comes back to the

I reckon it comes back to the V-Strom 650 then, I used to cover loads of miles on one throughout the year and loved it, and they're really cheap compared with most rivals. You don't get as much weather protection as the RT of course but it's still pretty good, and you'll have some spare cash for decent wet weather gear - Hein Gericke is a good bet as it's a good balance between decent quality and low cost.

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I considered that my next

I considered that my next bike might be a Yamaha TDM 900 with its parallel twin engine - company for my much loved, and very different Kymco Venox. It seems to be a good all-rounder, although I would just use it for fun (being an old geezer). I have seen positive comments on the bike from those who commute on them. Kevin could say whether its weather protection would be sufficient for Phil. If it is still on Phil's list, I suppose it is fair to say that a Versys may have more up to date engineering than a TDM. I use Hein Gericke gear and I am always warm.

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I'm back and still trying to

I'm back and still trying to find a bike. New bikes were way too expensive, so I decided on used. But then that came with its own problems as not knowing much about bikes i decided i would only buy from a franchised dealer for the extra 'reassurance'.

I've been looking at the BMW F800ST but can't find any reviews anywhere...even on MCN! Can anyone help with this bike. What is it like and is it suitable for me??

Thanks in advance.

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Hi Phil, I only passed my

Hi Phil,

I only passed my test May 2008 so consider myself a newbie biker, still elarning...but I guess if I ever stop learning then I'm not doing something properly!!

I started off on a Suzuki GSX650F which was a great bike, good weather protection, well priced and easy to use. I understand from those with more experience than me that it is very forgiving, must be if I got on with it. It might be a good option, it has a good riding position, not cramped and they are great value.

I have now changed to a BMW F800ST wich I love. It is very economical returning 60+mpg easily, it is easy to handle at low speeds and gives good weather protection. the seat is very comfy and you can get low seat, low suspension options to give you even more confidence depending on your height.

A review is attached here (copy and past in your browser)http://www.motorcyclists-online.com/o1_306_Road-test--BMW-F800S---ST.html

There are more on the web if you search.

Good luck

Davidos

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May I suggest Kevin's own

May I suggest Kevin's own review of the F800S/ST from The Daily Telegraph at the following address: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/motorbikes/2740777/Everyone-gains-fr...
I bought one 3 years ago partly on the strength of this review and I have not been disappointed - until last weekend when it broke down on the way to, of all things, a BMW bike demo event! Thankfully it turned out to be nothing more than a knackered battery.

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1 BMW F800ST bought...i rode

1 BMW F800ST bought...i rode it for an hour and fell in love!!!!

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A general view - I think far too much

A general view - I think far too much emphasis is placed on engine size and performance. Although more cubes are fun when experienced they usually just intimidate when not, though people rarely admit this. I think that's why there are so many big bikes with very low milages around (and so few ride in any but ideal conditions), people don't really have fun riding them, and if it isn't fun there's no point.

Any 500cc + bike will be quite happy on the roads mentioned. When a dispatch rider I used mid-ranged bikes like the CX500 - like every other dispatcher! I averaged 60,000 miles a year all over the UK with no performance problems.

You will smile a lot more on a smaller bike because you will be more relaxed. Forget being macho, it isn't fun at the end of the day. Forget 'learner bike' tags, a few years ago these would be seen as 'ton up' performance machines.

Buy a cheap bike, less to lose when it topples over in the car park - and it will.... If you like the whole deal then trade up in a year or two.

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Re: What bike?

I absolutley agree with Unconventional Rebel. Get an older standard type machine, say 500 - 750 cc and you'll be good to go. Before I upped to my 02 FZ1, I had a Seca 750, Maxim 700, and a Magna 700. I feel like that was very smart to start on those bikes. These liter plus bikes require an extreme amount of throttle control and if you don't know how to use such control, bad things can happen much faster than on the smaller machines.