Triumph Tiger Explorer
Hello all from Oz
Well, my dealer got a black one with all the fruit in today.
It isn't prepped yet, so my experience was limited to a very close inspection, sitting on it and making vroom vroom noises.
I'm impressed. The quality is obvious and the control action is light.
It didn't feel particularly top heavy (no fuel, of course...).
Test ride next week.
Looking forward to it!
Troppo... where's your dealer?
Do you think he'll tell You ? He has dibs on it !
Thanks, Troppo. No sign of one in Melbourne yet. I'll be interested in your test ride impressions.
"It isn't prepped yet, so my experience was limited to a very close inspection, sitting on it and making vroom vroom noises."
... I hope you enjoy the test ride Troppo; let us know your thoughts. Pretty perfect bike for Oz I would think! It'll probably sound better than 'vroom vroom' mind :-D
Off for another long ride to the mountains tomorrow and a rideout planned on Sunday too. Hard to stay off it at the moment.
Yes, I reckon it will be a perfect bike for us down here: Trumpy will sell them by the container load.
3 of my mates have GS1200s. I have put a few km on them, and they are like the proverbial leather lounge chair.
The Explorer feels just the same - the sit up and beg position is great for stacking on the miles, plus the cruise will be a big plus.
I am very, very reluctant to sell my beloved Busa, though.
Will let you know what I think next week.
Been following this thread for some time now and as the reports ( all good so far) are evolving, I have found myself questioning whether I need to readdress where I am going with my current selection of bikes, I currently have a BMW K1600 GT SE for long distances and touring which suits me and the financial adviser ( wife ) just fine, I also have a Triumph Street Triple R for Sunday morning blasts which is a fantastic bike, my only problem is I need something more comfortable as the riding position has now become an issue due to a recent operation to reconstruct my Anterior cruciate ligament within my right knee, I have the strength and stability back but not the full flexible movement. I have looked at the Tiger 800 as an alternative but was disappointed with the engine pick up and the front brakes compared with the Street Triple, the ergonomics were spot on for what I was looking for but it just lacks that something! hence the interest in the more powerful Explorer which when I swung a leg over within the showroom felt very natural and comfortable.
Decisions? decisions? Stick or twist? Go for the Tiger 800 with its not too exciting Engine / brakes but ease of riding and relative light weight for scratching about, or go for the all new Explorer with what appears to have a fantastic torque laden motor, good handling and a comfortable ride, but does have the extra weight.
I think the first step is to get a test ride on the Explorer then make a judgment, I will also follow this thread for more reviews and developments, if Triumph brings out a Blazing Orange Explorer for next years colour ( as my previous bike a Tiger 1050 ) then, my mind will be made up.
Troppo. I've owned a couple of GS's and if you like them, then I think you're going to be impressed by the eXplorer, which has moved the game on sufficiently to make it the class leader at present. It's not going to be faster than your Busa, obviously, but it can certainly get a decent lick on without having to rev it hard and it's definitely sportier and quicker than the GS, so coupled with cruise (really useful I find), 10k minor service intervals and a host of accessories to pick and choose from, it makes it an ideal workhorse for using on big continents.
HappyGL, RIC, on here, owns both a K16GTSE and eXplorer, so would be good to advise you. I've owned a K13S, Tiger 1050, have ridden both the T8 and T8XC, plus I currently ride an eXplorer, so can at least relate to your conundrum to some extent. I really liked the T8's, particularly their light weight and agility. But, not unlike the Tenere, their lack of low down grunt compared with peppy motors like the T12's is noticeable if you're used to big bikes. I hope your knee heels properly, one of mine is full of screws and I've had ligament damage problems myself. I don't find it a problem pushing the bike forwards in neutral, but I am very careful when putting it onto it's centre stand (a lift handle would help, I believe Wunderlich are working on one) and I notice it when pushing it backwards into my slightly uphill garage. However, even walking pace figure of eights are child's play, the turning circle is pretty good and stability exemplary. As you mention, a test ride will tell you the answers to those questions which matter the most to you as an individual, so good luck with that and let us know if it was a good experience for you or not.
Troppo. The Captain has 'spoke'.
Today I took both bikes for new tyres at great expense, just ridiculous, that I've decided I must change my riding style....seriously after exchanging £650 for 4 tyres fitted ride in ride out.
Anyway the BIG K has a manic engine if used with easy handling on the go coupled to truly stella stoppers. It is low to sit in and all day comfortable. A hooligan like a 6 cylinder FireBlade or easy peasy cruiser. I have used two rear tyres in 6500 miles so there is a clue.
The TEx is very different. Lovely grunty easy going engine with perfect fuelling. Tall comfortable and protected riding position, Agile and predictable turn in. Different in a TallRounder versatile way.
Test ride at least twice as some of it's charms take time to surface.
The BIG K is similar in that it's immense abilities take time to surface but it will always be a heavy Planet Crushing Touring Bike abeit a very capable and fast one.
ps I tried a Tiger 800 but found the engine lacked torque despite being a very capable bike. Your either into torque or not, I'm addicted for all day touring either two up or single.
Lobbed into the Honda Dealer to cast my eyes on the Honda Cross tourer. Bike didn't do it for me , looked heavey , massive frame, small forks , huge bolt on shaft , and butt ugly with all the plastic finish. Just looked like an after thought bike to me.
Still calling by the Triumph dealer on a daily basis, demo was supposed to be hear by now !
Thank's Captain, the Tiger 1050, now that was a nice bike! If the Explorer is as manageable as that then I am nearly there, as you say I need to take that test ride.
What is your experience with the Explorer regarding manoeuvring in and out of tight parking spaces and general usability around town, I find the K1600 needs to be treat with the utmost respect and caution at very slow speeds but is manageable, would you perceive the Explorer to be easier to manoeuvre?
I totally agree with your description of the Cross Tourer, ugly looking thing, seat an inch or two higher than the Explorer with a thrown together look about it, it's supposed to have a good engine though! But it's not the one for me.
Not intimidating like the Big K but it is heavy when static. On the move at very low speed it is a doddle if a touch top heavy. You sit a lot higher but have the benefit of better forward vision. Does take a little adjusting to after the low seat Big K.
It is easy to manoeuvre and balance at low speeds in tight traffic.
I'm with Happy-go-lucky, my cunning plan is a Street Triple R as a hoon machine, complimented by the big Tiger as a mile muncher.
Having come from 2007 BMWK1200GT, the Explorer feels much lighter to manoeuvre, with a slight slope on the drive, the Explorer feels very similar to the much ligher V-Strom 650 to move and turn round, the weight is a little higher.
When moving its well balanced and easy to paddle round compared to a GS1200 with its lower seat height.
Having gone for a tall rounder to slow me down, I am finding some journeys are quicker on the Explorer than they were on the K1200GT, probably the better visibility!
Not too sure about the Street Triple R as a hoon machine, I daren't try one, there isn't room in the garage!
The Explorer is proving a good mile muncher, most times it goes out it is doing 200+ miles and I have no complaints about the standard seat comfort!
Just wondering what tyres you opted for?
"Just wondering what tyres you opted for?"
... my bike came with Metzeler Tourances. A popular tyre, but one I'd not had much experience of. I really like them, especially in the rain, as they warm up quickly and grip extremely well, giving a lot of feedback and feeling of confidence in them. I like then in the dry too.
However, RoadSmarts or Pilots, fittings permitted would be good next choices.
The tyre that I would like, is the new Metzeler Z8 RoadTec Interacts. They don't currently offer the right sizes mind...
I've put PR3's on. Initially they were underwhelming despite turning in much quicker. Then after 150 miles running in they started to shine with good feedback, faster turn, better line hold at high speed plus a plusher ride.
The stock tyres are good but seem to under steer under high load if you want to be picky.
Well my dealer has a standard in now in Blue, Impressions are bike looks better in the flesh. Only downside on appearence to me is the drive shaft take of, sorta looks like a bolt on adter thought. Man is the shaft and rear swing arm a big bit of gear. The dealer tells me the demo will be a launch model, so I'll get a better idea, and of course a ride when it gets here. At the moment it is freezing 9 degrees C outside, bloody cold and wet !
Thanks for the feedback RIC. Might give those a go next. Not had any time to ride this week (started a new job, VP of Quality at a bank HQ) but managed to clock up over 800 miles so far this month and (high ambients temps aside) enjoyable one's.
Like the Honda, the shaft-drive is a chunky bit of kit, but the flip side is that they've made blatant/direct open claims that their shaft drive design is 'more reliable' than BMW's.
To the buying public, time will tell. But it does seem foolhardy at best, to make such claims, if they are not confidence derived from a comprehensive internal testing programme? So it might have to be viewed as an acceptable compromise.
The Yamaha shaft is more lithe, but then again it's putting out lower horsepower and is more artificially restricted in it's lower gears, so perhaps doesn't need to be so over-engineered?
The blue and graphite bikes look great, but I find the black scheme a bit average in the flesh for my personal tastes.
I hope you get to ride it soon Bails. It's a shame I can't send you our forecasted 92F with 0% chance of rain this coming weekend, for your test ride - although that might be just a bit too hot to enjoy the ride! :-D
Pouring rain here, so the test ride has been postponed.
Better weather forecast next week.
Looking forward to it.
Cap'n said: "Like the Honda, the shaft-drive is a chunky bit of kit......."
Cap'n, when you say shaft drive do you mean swingrm? There's no doubt that the swingrm is almost overkill in its proportions. I wonder if they've done that specifically to help overcome fears or lack of confidence in shaft drive rear ends generated by BMWs lack of acceptable reliability in that area? They may have "saved" the shaft drive!
Capn said: "....but the flip side is that they've made blatant/direct open claims that their shaft drive design is 'more reliable' than BMWs"
At the same time let's not forget that the BMW problem seems to have been down to an oil seal. If so, no amount of over sizing of metal components would help.
Yes, bigger doesn't always mean better. And of course we all know that light and thin materials (such as carbon fibre) can have huge tensile strength, if the forces applied against it are well distributed. But in general terms, there is a perception that larger and harder means more robust. I wouldn't bet on my finger winning a fight with a sledge-hammer for instance. And so, to some anyway, chunky sells the perception of robustness. I don't have any preconceived or fixed ideas on the subject, aside highlighting it looks and feels substantial and Triumph's own claims are that it provides consist operation for longer the than biggest selling bike in the class. As I said, time will tell...
Hello from Ireland,
I bought a 1200 Explorer 2 weeks ago, after some extensive testing on a Demo bike. This is a really good motorcycle. The fact that I have put 3000 Kilometers on it already speaks for itself. It came to me with Metzeler Tourances. My first impression of these tyres was that they seemed to tramline excessively from new, over longitudinal road irregularities/white lines etc.
However I have also noticed some fore and aft play at the front axle of the bike which I feel is excessive.It is probably caused by either loose stem bearings or excessive clearance on the fork bushings. That would certainly exacerbate such an issue in a tyre. I have contacted the dealer to investigate, and await inspection. These tyres otherwise grip well and turn well.
The rain has stopped.
I had 30 mins on an explorer today.
The only downside was buffeting from the screen over 100 km/hr, but that can be fixed. The box was slightly clunky, but I am being very picky.
It is a superb bike.
The throttle is connected directly to the rear wheel....the FI is perfect. Just perfect. The throttle is delightfully light.
Shaft? What shaft?
The pop on the overrun was lovely. It goes very well when you give it some. OK, not Busa levels of go, but very respectable.
The instrumentation is very good. Brakes are strong. It is quite chuckable for a bike of this sizr.
The cruise is a hoot!
Triumph are on a winner. It craps all over a GS.
I am buying one.
"Triumph are on a winner. It craps all over a GS."
... Did you get one Troppo?
Kevin, how are you getting on with the long-termer?
I'm only up to 1,000 miles on mine - blahdy work getting in the way. Enjoyable miles mind! :-D
I have bought a Street Triple R.
The Explorer will replace my Busa in about 2 months.
The Explorer will replace my Busa in about 2 months.
It will be a great combination Troppo but sad to have to see the Busa go I expect. One of the all time greats and my wife loved it as well, which was a bonus!
I had eyes on the Street Triple R myself but backed off due to the wind blast since it would have been used for high speed out of town runs. The Tiger 800 would suit me a bit better in the circumstances and the demo ride was excellent, as was the Explorer, but I just can't bring myself to px/lose either of my present bikes (Thunderbird 1600/Ducati 999S).
At my local Triumph dealer they have one of the group of Explorers used on the Triumph tour in Morocco, at a discount price.
Yes, I will miss the Busa....the best engine in motorcycling...mine is "flashed", so all the limiters have been removed....
It is just too tempting to wind the throttle on....
I may even keep it...
It's a stellar engine. Right up there with the best. Although the new ZZR14 makes it look a bit weak on the dyno. And similar powered bikes like the S1000RR are much lighter too. So with peers like the K13S, different types of fish like the V4 in the VMax, I'm not convinced it's still the daddy engine, but it's as near as damn it and given it's age that's quite monumental in many ways.
Sid has just returned from a 1,600 miler in France on his eXplorer and paraphrasing said it was as fast on the road as the Busa in general terms but handled better. Poetic license maybe? But still praise indeed, I think you'll be happy enough with your new steed. It's certainly deceptively quick with a really rocking midrange.
"The Tiger 800 would suit me a bit better in the circumstances and the demo ride was excellent, as was the Explorer, but I just can't bring myself to px/lose either of my present bikes (Thunderbird 1600/Ducati 999S)."
... that's a toughy as the TBird/999S is a real good two-bike combo. Maybe a used T800 might be an option?
Oh, I have ridden the new 14....wow....it eats a Busa...
Interesting re Sid's comments!
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