Triumph Tiger Explorer
Captain, just pulling you leg but it does sound as though your hedging your bets! Must agree that the CT is better looking by a mile or so but I will not be surprised if it is top heavy given the comments of concern on the forum.
I showed the TEx to some weekend guests and they all thought it was well finished and looked the part....good looking from one Kwaka rider.
It's a winner, just like the GS and it's record first quarter sales.Discounts a go go.
RIC, I think that by the time the CT does make it to America (which I think it will at some point) there will be additional new competition with new releases from BMW, KTM, Guzzi, Suzuki and Audi... oops I mean Ducati!
So if I change the Triumph for another adventure bike at some point, then I'll judge the competition at that point in time. If Honda brought in the CT tomorrow, I wouldn't be changing the TeX, it'd be like trading a brand new R6 for a GSXR6, small change.
Like the GS, the TeX is a bike that you greatly admire and respect, rather than lust after. I read the handbook PDF today and there's a lot of really thoughtful and neat touches, like the easy headlight adjuster and self-cancelling indicators, that get little airplay in the launch reviews, but as an owner I will be really appreciative of. As I will the USP cruise control and the comprehensive launch kit, plus options I've chosen.
I do think it's interesting that some of the issues that are cropping up on the CT forum were not identified in the launch reviews, such as a harsh front end (forks/bearings?) that a few have complained about. And a top heavy feel, which the Triumph pleasantly didn't feel like to me, at a standstill anyway.
As you mentioned, of DCT, initial owner feedback on a model specific forum will often be rose-tinted to self-justify the purchase. For you and I, this isn't our first dance with a new bike, which is why I value your level-headed feedback on the TeX so far.
To be fair to our Honda owning friends, I fully expect the TeX forum to run the same cycle of 'orgasmically good' type comments, to 'one thing that annoys me about my bike is...' type 'living with' comments.
This said, there's very few disgruntled peeps on the T8 forums and the number of new TeX owners vs CT owners on the two forums we frequent is still running about 10/1 in favour of the Triumph, which says the people have spoken with their wallets.
If I was a guest of the RIC household, working my way through your vintage port and wine collection, whilst angling for a passenger ride in the Mc, I'd happily tell you the TeX was prettier than a carbon-clad Panigale S :-D
I've made a bit of the Plan Jane looks, but I've now downloaded the photos I took yesterday and certainly from some angles it actually looks quite handy and tasty. It's just other angles that it looks fat and frumpy. I guess I'm the same!
Captain, was really being cheeky with the Explorer XT, however I will be among the first to order one as it addresses the only real weakness IMHO for its capability which is its range, OK I am perhaps in a minority, my TeX has been out 5 times so far, back home from the dealer when I picked it up, back for its first service and used 3 times, 770 miles done, approx. 250 miles per ride, would prefer to have range of 250 + miles.
Escaped on Saturday afternoon, did most of Lake District passes including Wrynose & Hardknott both ways, total 240 miles and enjoying it more as it starts to loosen up and suspension/brakes bed in.
Came back filthy but a quick blast from the Karcher and it looks just like it came out of the showroom, easy to clean IMHO (though I prefer riding to cleaning).
So far 44.1mpg, not yet squeezed more than 16.5 litres into tank.
No longer aware of any vibrations in the bars, suspect only noticeable if sticking around the 5000rpm mark, will look out for it next time out.
Agree with the comments about model specific forums and first dance with new bikes, I guess the luxury of choice in what and when can often mean you don't have to live with a bad choice although after that you perhaps end up more demanding.
Now have the task of convincing the wife that its as good as the K1200GT for long runs, will probably have to get a heated pillion seat on order!
"would prefer to have range of 250 + miles"
... only the GSA or Stelvio will give you that at present. If a TeX XC is released then the usual circa 21 litres is likely to shoot up to 30 IMPO. But if that's the only reason to then trade a TeX for an XC, then maybe consider having an auxiliary tank fitted? It might not be too aesthetically pretty, but you could have a bespoke, oblong shaped, stainless steel, fuel tank, secured to the existing rear rack, which could easily carry ten litres of fuel. Some of the 'merican Iron Butt riders do this, apparently. I guess that if you had a stainless rack welded to the top of it then technically it could still be weight bearing too? I don't know, you'd need to take professional advise, but I dare say it would be significantly cheaper than trading the bike at that point in time. I think you've got a number of bike related engineering companies up that way, Spondon, for instance, might take on a one-off project like that and do it justice?
Good to hear that it's easy to clean as my idea of cleaning nowadays is spray on Doc 100, make a coffee, then hose off! Also good to know it's improving with the miles. I think all bikes are fun to own and I have only really made two bad choices in my buying habits, a TDR250 and early model K1200GT, which really did not suit me. All others have generally be great in the main. Not perfect, no bike is, always some compromises at certain times. But that's one reason why I bought the MTS 1100, Tiger 1050 and a brace of GS's: the tall-rounder, Adventure-Tourers, are just good do-it-all bikes, that are Jack of all trades and master of many.
If I lived oop-nerf, the heated seats would have got the vote. I thought they were a gimmick, until I had them on a Beemer myself. On a frosty and foggy morning I rode from Ascot to Sheffield and don't think I could have managed it without the derriere warmer! I've moved to the sun now, but that's more costly than heated seats! ;-D
Captain, I must agree that I had never considered the idea of heated seats, however after a bout of pneumonia I started to use them in a car, when I got a bike with them I couldn't believe how much difference they made coming home late and tired, actually help concentration and could even be considered a safety addition.
Sadly by the time I ordered my TeX most of the optional items were on back order so heated grips and seats etc were left off thinking winter was over, forgot we don't have seasons anymore, just weather!
Guess if the TeX is popular enough there will be some long range tanks made, guess as I get older the stops might be more welcome, probably too late for me to try doing Iron Butts now.
Might have a built in trade for this TeX as my son is looking for an upgrade for his V-Strom and my daughter wants that for a knock-about, they are already making plans..... as usual it'll cost me!
Have to agree strongly about the usability of tall-rounders they might not get the biggest grins but you get more of them :-)
One good thing about living oop-nerf is the roads, well suited to having fun!
Anyway there is a triple lump of iron in the garage and the sun is shining.......
"tall-rounders they might not get the biggest grins but you get more of them :-)"
... exactly. :-D
Sounds like your kids will grind a better deal out of your than a dealer!
Given time Acerbis, or whomever, might be persuaded to make a Dakar stylie tank?
For those on the west side of the Atlantic ...
If'n you're really anxious, Pete's in Baltimore, MD got a blue one in today with the Launch Package. The Sales Manager told me they didn't even know it was arriving. Evidently, the truck pulled up this morning unannounced ;-) He supposed that they got an early one b/c they are the #2 Triumph dealership in The States.
Good to know Sebo. I know of at least one guy in the States (Dallas) who is collecting his bike today, so they are a couple of weeks ahead of their original 'official' predictions. One thing Triumph are getting good at both in terms of new bike launches and new model deliveries, is that they seem to be consciously under-promising and over-delivering. This naturally seems to delight, rather than annoy, new owners.
In January I was told to expect late May, but with no guarantee off it. More recently I was told to expect mid May, which I'm still telling myself is realistic. But I wouldn't be too surprised if it arrives before then, which would be excellent news for me personally. Must be patient... must be...
Without having to peruse the many past pages of this Explorer thread, to see whether it's already been brought up, indications seem to be cropping up from Triumph service techs, posted via owners / enthusiasts on other forums, that this 1200 motor features a full access cassette gearbox.
Perhaps part of a modular build design, easier conversion to a chain drive variant, who knows...
Anyone had confirmation on this unusual news / speculation, with the big bore Tiger ?
I've not read that in any of the tests or comments in the forums yet, which isn't to say it's not the case.
The seemingly obvious next use will be in the 2013 Trophy 1200 Tourer, to compete with the RT. I would think it'll be transplanted verbatim into that, with maybe even the same gearing?
After that, it'll be a well proven design, so then they'll probably do a chain version and begin to populate the rest of the modular engine range, but utilising various states of tuning and gearing to suit?
Bikes like the Speed Triple are certainly due a 150 hp makeover, if they are to remain competitive with the Ducati's etc. In R guise I like it just the way it is, but the buying public is a fickle animal, especially when it comes to spec sheet numbers! :-D
Mention has been made of the limiting on the TeX, is this just due to availability of tyre for over 130mph with "Adventure" tread patterns or due to anticipated instability over 130mph? For anyone not planning on using agricultural tyres it may be a frustrating limitation to its ability to cover big miles.
Just thinking of suitability of the current drivetrain in a Trophy format, as it is in the Tex it would be an interesting competitor to the RT1200, allowed to use what I already suspect is available, it could prove a very adept mile muncher with the inherent ability to raise a smile, maybe not the king of grin associated with a Diavel or Rocket but could be a very interesting development!
If given the ability to fall into corners with the same panache as the Tex (for such a heavy bike).
RIC, not seen much feedback on your TeX recently, any further thoughts or comments before Captain gets his and fills the forum?
Following recent hand surgery I can only watch my TEx rust in the garage for 8 weeks. When the rain stops it will be frustrating if I can't ride. Off to SanMarino for Superbikes June 5th so under recovery pressure.
RIC sorry to hear that - i guess one benefit is that the X12 has a really light throttle and the cruise control for those motorways
Captain - not long to go - have been out today in the rain - just fun riding for the pleasure - trying to understand how my Tom Tom works - sat with my mate and a beer and between the two of us we figured a few things out - he has a T8 and is grossly jealous of my filthy 12
Run it up to 120 mph today on the satnav - no issues - speedo running about 3-4 mph over
"Mention has been made of the limiting on the TeX"
... the CrossTourer and Tenere are also limited I think? The GS isn't, I believe, but isn't as fast anyway. More than 130 mph is too fast for bolt upright Adventure bikes IMPO. If it's important to owners they might be better of with a K1300S or something.
"any further thoughts or comments before Captain gets his and fills the forum?"
... as if, lol! ;-D If anything, I'm likely to be quieter - it's nearly 90F here and I'll be out on it quite a lot I suspect!
RIC, on the bright side, the Ducati's brakes would have already seized up with the lack of use by now! ;-D
"Captain - not long to go - have been out today in the rain - trying to understand how my Tom Tom works"
... once I had gore-tex everything, I thoroughly enjoyed riding in the rain, really hones your skills.
I think my dealers sister branch has already received a black bike, so I would expect my (not?) blue bike to turn up at anytime in the next fortnight.
I have a Garmin Zumo 660 arriving in the next few days. My TomTom Rider II is about four years old now, so I thought I'd give one a go and if I like it the missus can use the ThomasThomas in her MX5 PRT (or baby McClaren as she likes to think of it). The thing I do like about the TTR is the simple GUI, reliable performance and it's robustness. After a few years the supporting bracket broke on my TTR1 and it fell off the bike at about 40 mph and bounced down the road. It had a bit of gravel rash but continued to work a treat for years to come. Impressive. The Mk II has a far better bracket design, much more robust. The main thing is to get TYRE working with it. If you have any TTR questions, PM me in t'other forum.
Just in after an afternoon with a grey (and rather dirty) launch model. I grabbed the demo bike just when my dealer went home today, I´ll keep it for the rest of the weekend. Clocked in 160km in a couple of hours on norwegian back roads, in 10 degrees Celsius, with my missus on the back. Spring time is a bumpy ride here as the roads are trying to get back to their normal fit after the frost heave.
Coming from the RallyRaid(*), I notice the TEx is about 10 years of bike development further down the road. The engine is pulling like a train everywhere, regardless of any gear and rpm. In my book, the chassis is planted, steering is quick and the breaks are feather light. No wind turbulence with the launch model high screen.
I haven´t got adjusted to the engine rpms yet. Changing up too early and looking for gear 7. Speaking of gears: When I took it out, it was a bit chilly. The air temperature showed 3, 4 and 6 degrees. And suddenly it was back to 2. And what a funny symbol they had chosen to display behind the temperature. Looks like a gear symbol?! Doh. :)
More fiddling with the buttons and after a while I managed to engage the CC. But only after my first break, when I noticed that the CC-button had two positions, in (engaged) or out. It did not work like I had thought tho´, but it wouldn´t be very safe: when engaged and set, I thought I could lift my right hand from the throttle, lets say to relax on one of those longer stretches. When releasing the throttle it disengage. That´s ok with me. It´s not cancelled when touching the front brake either (break light switch) as far as I can see. As long as the speed is still kept up it´s still engaged. The clutch will disengage it. I feel that I haven't understood the way it works yet. Have to read the manual.
ABS and TC:
Haven´t noticed any.
Air tire pressure sensors:
The display reads 37 PSI front and 44 rear. I will try to lower it a bit tomorrow, the tarmac is still cold. I will also check the rear preload/damper. I think it is winded up too much on the adjustment wheel. Feels like the back is a bit stiff, making the front bouncing back at it.
Automatic indicator cancceling:
I believe it´s just a timer, and no gyros involved. I would like to have a way of adjusting how long time it should take before the indicators went off. I think they are on for too long, so I reset them myself. I don´t want any Volvo driver to believe that I´m about to turn (once more) when I´m not.
The TEx is seriously effective, it just swallow anything that gets in its way. I´m going too fast (speed limits?) all over the place, and that may be a long term problem. I need my drivers license, and I carry a passenger - nearly all the time, trying not to risk everything in one shot.
I have yet to try the MTS1200, from the same silly reason as the speed sensation above. But then, with the age of my bike, I could probably "upgrade" to the MTS1100S as I don´t have to have the latest/greatest anymore. But I want another cylinder this time. Lived with twins for 15 years, three is the way to go. My dealer just got a like new 2010 Tiger 1050 SE. I want to demo it just because I believe the bike and engine is still fabulous. And a chain isn´t a problem with me as long as I get a central stand. This orange 1050 is kitted out with ABS, boxes, hand guards, heated grips and so on, only 7000km.
Tonight: RTFM. Need to read up on how the CC is meant to work and how to reset the trip counter, silly me!
Tomorrow: clean it, adjust air pressure, adjust damping - and ride for half a day (at least). Forecast is +13.
Some day: demo the Tiger 1050 SE, it´s €10k below the 1200 (at €30k).
(*)Bike history: 96 Speed Triple T309 (first proper bike), 98 916, 00 Mille-R, 00 Mille-R, 03 Caponord RallyRaid. My "other" bike is a XR650R.
"Lived with twins for 15 years, three is the way to go"
... glad you loved it. I've just had a call from my dealer - mine will arrive on Monday - wahoo!!!!!!!!!!
"mine will arrive on Monday - wahoo!!!!!!!!!!"
Is that even earlier than what you expected? Congrats!
My dealer has written my name all over the demo bike. They are keeping it until late May - in some sort of a deal with the Triumph distributor? When I picked it up they had three other bikes ready for delivery in the shed, two blue and one grey. They will get four more the coming week (sold 7 ´til this weekend, more than any other model this year). Does Triumph produce and ship any other model at all this spring?
The demo had only rolled about 550km when I got it yesterday. It´s been out "all the time" but I don´t understand the low total distance. They have probably read all the positive reviews, taken it for a spin to the local "Ace" cafe and back - and then ordered a new one. No GSes in exchange yet, but rather a FJR1300 and a ZRX1200 so far.
About time I chimed in again on this thread, especially as I now have a graphite Explorer parked in the garage ready for a year's duty as Ash transport. The 800XC has gone back and, well, I needed something to get me back home on from Hinckley...
I'll set up a blog or something similar on here for the Explorer and the faithful V-Strom which is still performing sterling duty as fun and comfortable fuel miser, and I have a few adventures planned. One is a ride to the Tridays event in Austria which I'd always thought was something to do with the factory, but apparently not, although Hinckley is now supporting the event. Instead it seems it's some mad Austrians who decided the town of Neukirchen needed to be put on the map, so for no obvious reason, they turn it British for a week - complete with bowler hats and Beefeaters, and they change the name to Newchurch - and hold a Triumph festival.
Anyone been to one of these before? More interestingly, anyone here thinking about going? It's June 22-24. Got to be worth it just to hear Cathrine Jauer singing the Triumph song...
So the rumour you had been abducted by aliens,isn't true,i noticed you have finaly put some pilot road 3s,on the strom,awaiting the verdict.
Nope, sheer pressure of work, nothing more alien than that, including an outing along half of Route 66 - that'll be on here tomorrow - and various travels riding motorbikes along with other bits and bobs. The Michelins have been on the V-Strom for around 800 miles and have transformed it, the handling is much better, especially the feel on initial turn-in and at smaller angles of lean. The wet weather grip meanwhile is so good it's silly. I'll do a more comprehensive report when the V-Strom blog is set up, or maybe separately in the neglected Products section.
Kev - Very interested in the Michelin Pilot R3s on the V-Strom as mine is due some new tyres again. Have you got "Standard PR3s or the P3Trails?
Also interested in the Tridays event, had been considering the BMW Garmish bash, having swapped the K1200GT for the TeX not sure if attending on the TeX would be sensible, so the Tridays is probably more appropriate, good chance to try the TeX on a decent run now its loosening up. Perhaps doing both might be the answer!
Am having LOL with GSA riders round here, they can't quite work out what is giving them a right hand wave GSA style!
Took the V-Strom in for MOT yesterday, still smiling after riding it even though the TeX is in the garage, no issues despite having had it from 2005 and it now being used by my son to commute to Uni (Rochdale - Sheffield) all year round, hope the TeX heated grips will last as long!
Been back to dealer for a few bits for TeX, shame most seem to be on back order still, yet again R1200GS's out on demo TeX's while I was there, salesman says they have been surprised at uptake from existing GS owners.
I've got the standard PR3s, I only ever use the V-Strom on the road. I've not done a mileage check yet but I'd recommend them very strongly in terms of everything else.
The Garmisch event is a cracking good one and you do see a fair few other makes turning up, it's not a big deal arriving on a non-BMW. I've no experience of the Tridays one but this is the first year the factory is getting behind it and it all looks very good humoured.
All I've done on my Explorer so far is ride home from the factory about 30 miles (50km) and go a mile to the pub last night... today it's blowing a gale outside with horizontal rain so it's staying in the garage!
"Is that even earlier than what you expected? Congrats!"
... thanks. Original estimate was end of May. Then they said Triumph have increased production to meet demand, so expect mid May. Last Friday it was on the system but no despatch or invoice (to dealer) date. So they were surprised as me. It will be the first bike in the shop, they don't need a demo to sell them it seems (sold nine bikes yesterday, not sure how many were eXplorers, in quite a small shop), so naturally I'm very happy. It will be PDI'd on Mon/Tue, I hope to collect it Tuesday and already have plans to take it to the mountains on Wednesday, with a current forecast of sunny and 87F local and probably 77F in the mountains themselves. Oh happy day... :-D
"Does Triumph produce and ship any other model at all this spring?"
... even though not a new model. My dealer told me that the Bonneville in black was sold out for the rest of the year. And he told me that in March!
"No GSes in exchange yet, but rather a FJR1300 and a ZRX1200 so far"
... it'll attract diverse owners I'm sure. As Motorcyclist June put it 'The Explorer is no homage to the R1200GS. It's mostly everything the GS "isn't". And for a lot of people, that's a very good thing'.
"I now have a graphite Explorer parked in the garage ready for a year's duty as Ash transport."
... (Leslie Philips voice-over...) ding-dong, I say! Rock n' roll. As you do more miles, in all weathers, than most, it'll certainly be interesting to see how you find living with the bike as an early adopter. That said, with a six year gestation period, one would hope that they've got it fairly right from the get-go. It'll be interesting to see what road-orientated touring tyres come out to fit it and indeed how they perform.
... it'll attract diverse owners I'm sure. As Motorcyclist June put it 'The Explorer is no homage to the R1200GS. It's mostly everything the GS "isn't". And for a lot of people, that's a very good thing'.
That is a very different observation and one that hits the spot.............a great strap line.
It continues to be biking weather for Ducks in the UK, stayed away overnight Saturday and my Q5 parking brake rusted to the discs, never happened before!
Captain, enjoy the bike and post your thoughts toot suit, toot, toot!
"my Q5 parking brake rusted to the discs, never happened before!"
... blahdy Ducati's LOL! ;-D
"Captain, enjoy the bike and post your thoughts toot suit, toot, toot!"
will do. Apologies, in advance, if they happen to be detailed! ;-D
Hey Kev. Considering the TExp as replacement for my T1050. What will I do with my Moniker!? I do, however, really dig the revised Stelvio. Got real close to pulling the trigger on a pretty good deal from Manhattan BMW on the r12GS...mostly because of how much lighter, and it feels it, the GS is then these others. I ride city everyday and travel to the country upstate alot. How does the Exp stack against this improved Stelvio? Sitting on the Exp at the show, it felt quite heavy and, for my barely 30" inseam and city bashing, that's an issue for me. I know what everyone's going to say: Get a T800 and leave us alone! Ha! Thanks! Great work as always.
Hi TTiger1050, re 30" inseam, mine is 29" and using TeX with standard seat, front in high position, rear low, not had to try the engine bars yet! IMHO balance in town (Manchester UK) not been an issue when I popped in to Apple store the other day, just glad I was on a bike as cars are not fun in that kind of traffic! Not ridden Stelvio but used GS and GSA, decided I did not like looking for a kerb to stop on and did not like either in the city.
TT, it might be an obvious thing to say, but why not ride all the bikes you are interested in before making a decision?
I'd already owned a couple of GS's and a Tiger 1050. So I rode the Multistrada and Tenere before confirming an order for the Triumph.
Having sat on the Triumph I was pleasantly surprised by the seat height and particularly how balanced it felt. To me, personally, I felt it was lower and thinner than the Tenere and as light as the GS. The Multistrada is lighter again, but is sportier than the adventure-tourers.
If you're after something sportier than the T1050, then the adventure-sports Multistrada and SMT are the logical choices, with others like the Versys 1000 a possibility, depending on what you seek.
As you're in the States the CrossTourer is out. The GS is basically redundant now. So you have a choice of the Tenere or eXplorer, assuming you want to change for an adv-tourer.
If you want the best current all-rounder adv-tour bike, the Triumph is it according to the tests so far anyway. But if you have plans to ride across actual continents, on often unmade roads, then take the less powerful Yamaha, it's already proven bullet-proof.
Ooh, just go and get a T800! ;-D
TT said: "because of how much lighter, and it feels it, the GS is then these others. I ride city everyday and travel to the country upstate alot.". And. "for my barely 30" inseam and city bashing, that's an issue for me." And. " I know what everyone's going to say: Get a T800"
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the R1200R. That's the bike you are describing!
RIC re - "my Q5 parking brake rusted to the discs, never happened before!"
Same problem identified on Land Rover products as well since TeX launch. I am glad its not just down to the rain in Rochdale!
Even the cats got on top of reviewing possible bikes!
Hope the op has gone well, you won't need much strength in either hand on the TeX, it is pretty light on the controls...
One problem I am beginning to find with the TeX, I need more excuses for "She who must be obeyed" as I am just nipping out to "finish running it in" is wearing a bit thin, especially when I always seem to come home smiling....
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