Should I buy a Schuberth C3?

I once had a Schuberth C2. I didn't like it. It felt a little claustrophobic, too hot in summer and hurt my ears. Still, things often change for the better (look at Ducati and BMW for instance) and the C3 seems to be a significant leap forwards.
Anyway, other lids that I have for different moods (cruising, track days, yadder) aside, I bought a Shoei Syncrotec as an all rounder. It's been blooming marvellous. Easily my favourite all round lid ever.
But it's overdue replacing. And I'm not totally convinced the Shoei Multitec has moved the game on compared with the original Syncrotec? It does have a good price advantage vs the C3, but I'm not interested in vfm with lids, so much as something that does exactly what it says on the tin.
Has anybody actually bought a C3 themselves. And how do you rate it vs whatever else you've had?

Since you're riding a Captain Scarlet Carbon Diavel there's surely only one option, the Schuberth C3 Carbon. :)
I know that it's wrong for a Ducati, but BMW sell a rebadged and lightly modified version of the C3 as the System 6. The internal fit is a bit different, being of a more long oval (Arai) shape, but they might be worth a look too.
If you want a leftfield suggestion then the Schuberth J1 might be worth a look. It's an open face lid with a small chin bar. Protection isn't as good as a full face, but I'm not sure how much worse it is.
Captain,
I've had my C3 for nearly two years. I find it more comfortable, as it is lighter and quieter than the Multitec that it replaced. The ratchet clasp is easier to use, (once initially adjusted), than D rings. The liner is easier to wash too. On the downside the visor self closes once above 40-50 mph, but round town stays where you want it. Initially I found it a little claustrophobic as the chin bar is much closer to ones face, but after a few rides I became accustomed to it. I think the venting could be improved, when it is hot and the top vent is fully open, you just get a blast of air to the top of the head. (For cooler weather you can partially cvover the two internal holes with the liner, which disperses the airflow).
When it comes round to renewing my C3, I would definitely consider another one; unless there is something quieter out there...
Don't let the C2 fool you. The C3 is a completely different helmet. DIfferent fit, feels a lot lighter, is a lot quieter and a lot more comfortable. It's huge difference between the 2 helmets (I've owned them back to back) . Also the double coated visor is really good, among many other things.
Make sure you try one before buying, to get the right size, as for me one size smaller than the C2 was the correct fit for the C3.

Thanks guys. I'm going to buy one! A gloss black with World graphics. I found some really good videos about it on revzilla.com for anyone interested in the details of the lid.
Many thanks one and all...

Captain. I'm currently touring in Spain and have a C3. It's rubbish as it needs constant rebuild on the move and its noisy. But it is easy to use if expensive. It's big as well. A builders hat would be more reliable.

OK, it's not a flip face lid, but the new Shoei Qwest (US details) comes in the ideal colours for a Carbon Scarlet Diavel. Unfortunately the Bloodflow graphics aren't available on the other side of the pond...
There's a very favourable review on webBikeWorld.

Yes the Qwest is the best touring helmet on the market assuming you ride an upright motorcycles. Erm, I'll rephrase that. Assuming the motorcycle you ride sits you in an upright riding position like most tourers and tall-rounders. I'm tempted to buy one to replace my ageing AGV TiTech for more sporting blasts.
But I need a replacement for my much loved Shoei Syncrotec more. I'm not totally convinced by the frog mouthed Multitec. But I do like the convenience of a flip-top. I like to ride with it up at slow speed through towns on a hot day. Or sometimes at the lights to get a splash of fresh air or shout directions (abuse!) at friends I'm riding with. And at the fuel station when you want to breathe on a wet and humid day without removing your lid, it's all convenient.
The C3 appeals in terms of having a proper exhaust vent and flip down dark visor, without having to take a spare visor or wear uncomfortable sunglasses (plus look a bit 'Nigel' old school Beemer rider). It's also fairly modern looking and does a half decent job of looking like a non flip-top lid too. Plus its profile is thinner than the Shoei.
I've done a bit of surfing around and everyone except RIC, whose opinions I do value, seems to love theirs to bits. You always wonder whether they were wearing a plastic piece of crap before of course, but if they can afford an expensive lid now, chances are their last one was quality too.
My only caveat is as per previous lids by them they do a far job of garrotting the wearer in the name of anti-roll and peace and quiet. Okay in Aberdeen on a wet Wednesday in January. But will it be too stifling in 90 degrees and sometimes humid GA? I think I'm still going to buy one, but no rush, maybe in a few weeks time :-D

Cap'n
I went through similar deliberations a year back ('New Helmet' thread), typically getting distracted by Rocca & RiC, who was a fan at the time. I can only assume he's been having trouble with his skirts...
I've found it to be all-day comfortable, quiet & light. The flip-top part is useful for the reasons you've given, 'tho my mates reckon I look a bit Victor Meldrew with it up! As always, much depends on the shape of your bonce as it needs to be a snug fit. Garotting not strictly necessary but whatever turns you on!
I've found the airflow system to be excellent but haven't put it to the test in v.hot conditions. I'm off to sunny Spain at the beginning of June. If you can wait that long (you impetuous sod!), I'll give you additional feedback. Colour choice could well be a factor too, of course, so perhaps steer clear of the Darth Vader look!

Hey Silvercub!
In what part of Spain will you be riding?
Ninou

I went through similar deliberations a year back ('New Helmet' thread), typically getting distracted by Rocca & RiC, who was a fan at the time. I can only assume he's been having trouble with his skirts...
I've found it to be all-day comfortable, quiet & light. The flip-top part is useful for the reasons you've given, 'tho my mates reckon I look a bit Victor Meldrew with it up! As always, much depends on the shape of your bonce as it needs to be a snug fit. Garotting not strictly necessary but whatever turns you on!
I've found the airflow system to be excellent but haven't put it to the test in v.hot conditions. I'm off to sunny Spain at the beginning of June. If you can wait that long (you impetuous sod!), I'll give you additional feedback. Colour choice could well be a factor too, of course, so perhaps steer clear of the Darth Vader look!
.. Good response thanks.
I probably still look a bit Victor Meldrew with it 'down'!
I probably won't wait until June. I'll be lucky if I wait till Friday! ;-D
Found out that I can't get the graphics versions in Yankee Doddle land. I can get silver, black, white or yellow. Nearly all of my bike kit is black and the drivers here are blinder than myopic, so blacks not happening. My Shoei was silver so it's time for a change. So it's 'I smashed a Cadbury's Cream Egg open' insect attracting hi-viz yellow or white. I know I should buy yellow, so I'll be getting White :-D
I'll stick to gorotting, you stick with the autoerotic asphyxiation! ;-D

I didn't make it until Friday... !
I bought a white one today. Will try it out on the Diavel (another demo ride) tomorrow for seventy miles or so, which should provide a decent shake-down test.

Now why am I not surprised! Good choice of colour (I never did manage the hallucinatory paint job, if you checked the back catalogue)
In what part of Spain will you be riding?
Good to hear from you ninou. I'd planned to email you with my proposed route to tap into expert local knowledge plus the chance of una cana and chat! Basically it's Santander, round the outside, round the outside, taking in a few Portugese 'green' roads, jamon iberica, before heading south to Ronda, Sierra Nevada, Segura, then north via Valencia to Pyrennes (if time) and return to Bilbao.
Would be good to meet but I appreciate we'll be some way off Madrid. I'll get in touch with more details.

Sounds like a really good and thorough tour of Spain! Definitely let me know about the details. I know quite a few good roads. Depending on your itinerary we might be able to meet.

I bought a Schuberth C3 last week, to replace my Shoei Syncrotec. I still love the practicality of flip-top's for all-round use. Especially when I want some fresh air at the lights or when standing at the fuel pumps.
I was tempted to go for the Shoei Multitec as I would assume it has improved over the previous model. But in the end, I didn't go for the the Shoei, for a couple of reasons:
Firstly although it is lighter it doesn't feel as sturdy as the Syncrotec to me (weight or quality, not sure?). Secondly I don't like the way they've made it stormtrooper wider at the base (less stability and more noise)
The C3 is very different to the C2. And bar some carry over aspects such as the flip down integral dark visor (slider on side of helmet), and pull to release chin strap, it's all new from what I can tell.
However, I was still undecided, until watching the following very comprehensive (15 mins) review ('Part 1') on the following site helped make my mind up:
http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/schuberth-c3w-helmet
I tried it on at my local BMW dealers, along with the Multitec back to back. The Shoei is more affordable, but I preferred the fit, finish & features of the C3 overall.
In the end I decided the only flip-top lid I would currently buy is the Schuberth C3, which is much better shape wise and feels sturdier to me personally.
I do look after my helmets so the price ($699 plain white) difference didn't matter to me. I'm sure that Shoei will be working on a Multitec v 2.0 anyway, but for now, this seemed as good as it gets.
I got to have a decent 70 miles or so ride on a standard Ducati Diavel on Friday, with the C3 worn straight out of the box. Initial thoughts compared with the Syncrotec:
Worse:
- The top of the aperture is a little low, so when crouched forwards in sport mode you tend to be looking between the pin lock and the top of the visor. Removing the pin lock in non cold weather would help and in cold weather you're unlikely to be crouched down in attack mode.
- slight pressure around the crown / temple area. However this didn't get worse or cause a headache or major discomfort, and I feel is very is likely to improve the more miles I wear it
- the flip top button is smaller than the Shoei, so slightly harder to locate with a gloved hand
- with the (removable) chin air-skirt in place it is slightly harder to shut the lid with a gloved hand
Better:
- Exceptional top of head ventilation. It 'really' works. Schuberth claim three litres of air flowed every second at sixty mph. I don't know about that, but I do know in the eighty plus degrees sunshine my head did not get hot, which is something that usually happens, which is one reason I favour flip-tops; this also meant that I didn't feel the need to lift it at traffic lights so often too. Possibly the white finish helped reflect the heat a tad too?
- It is very quiet. You can still hear and enjoy engine noise clearly, but wind noise is minimal; particularly noticeable when turning head left or right at speed; the best to date I've experienced of any lid.
- Shell finish and general quality do seem absolutely top drawer
- The slide down dark visor now extends further, without touching the bridge of the nose and simply works well
- The thick lips on either side of the front of the visor helps easy raising in a gloved hand
- The visor is exceptionally easy to remove and has no side pods; super aerodynamic
- The ratchet chin latch seems more sturdy than the clunk-click buckle and is easy to release
- The visor also has better peripheral vision, and so does the wider pin lock insert (std) too.
- Some class leading design elements like anti-roll off strap that runs through the back of the helmet liner
- It's much lighter and more streamlined so more comfortable to wear over distance
Conclusion:
It doesn't feel as cool to wear as a race replica helmet, but then again it doesn't have some of their drawbacks like noisy vents that only work when you are lying on the tank. But the pilot style flip down dark visor looks semi cool at the petrol pumps when you have the flip up. Least, that's how you feel! As flip tops go, it's definitely the best to date IMHO. Probably an eight out of ten for now. And serious potential to supersede my three other ageing lids as the only one that I now really need. Based on first impressions, when the time comes, IMPO it's worth trying one.

Captain, I purchased the Schuberth for similar reasons with the wide side vision particularly good compared to my Arai - a real safety feature me thinks. The venting is very effective and the drop down sun visor also a safety feature as it can be raised in shadow and tunnels.
However it keeps falling to bits and needs constant re-assembly and thus gains my angst as it is a premium priced product, but I purchased almost at launch so it suspect build integrity has been improved.
When I had a Senna headset fitted a couple of weeks ago the retailer cursed the Helmet as the most complicated helmet on the market and watching him disassemble and fit the Senna it was instructive.
Anyway the functionality is first class, interesting to hear how you get on but as your careful' I guess it will be OK!

I took a look at the BMW System 6 today, as I'm quite tempted by one, particularly in Aaargh My Eyes yellow.

I tried on a C3 on Saturday, and the System 6 has a much narrower fit. I'd say that the Schuberth is more Shoei like, whereas the BMW is even more of a long oval fit than some of the Arais.
The System 6 isn't badged, except for a small BMW roundel at the back of the neck.
As an aside, I mentioned the Schuberth J1 in an earlier post. I got chatting to someone who wears one at the weekend, and he reckoned that it was the best lid he's ever had. I'm not entirely sure that I'd trust the chin bar on it in an off, but Nolan and Givi have similar models that are full face certified (unlike the J1), so perhaps there'll be the inevitable J2 before too long.

I haven't seen or tried on the System 6. Certainly all up to System 5 were rebadged Schuberth's as far as I'm aware. Common practice I guess with Dainese making Ducati's leather and Hein Gericke Harleys! The C3 is available in "I'm blinded" yellow too.
RIK on that video link there is a video of him taking the interior apart - might be useful to watch!?!?!? :-D

I've heard that Schuberth make some, if not all, of BMW's lids too. There was a tendency for the BMW versions to miss features, and I believe that the System 5 lacked the internal sun visor of the C2, but the C3 and System 6 are pretty similar.
Schuberths used to be a lot more expensive than their BMW offspring, but I think that there's about a 10% difference between them these days. The C3 is around £430 over here, whereas the System 6 is £390.

Well that's interesting !
I have a C2. I find it to be the quietest helmet I have ever had in 53 years of motorcycling.
So, I bought a C3 thinking that as a later model it would be improved in the main area of my demand i. e. quietness as I am sensitive to noise.
What a disappointment, it was definitely much noisier that the C2 so I sold it straight away on Ebay.
Now I had a dilemma. . . . My C2 was gettin on in years and the C3 unsuitable ??
Ah, I know I'll buy another C2. I managed to find a new C2 on line, problem solved.
Which goes a long way to prove the theory. . . .
HELMETS ARE A VERY PERSONAL THING
WHAT SUITS ONE MAY NOT SUIT ANOTHER
Gospel according to ginzy

I came very close to buying a C3 but I stumbled on a Shoei display at the motorcycle show and decided to wait for the new Neotec. It fit me better and IMO is superior to the Schuberth. They built in a bulge to the front of the shell to incorporate the sun visor so it doesn't cut into the protective area. It's also a hundred bucks cheaper than the Schuberth.

As discussed above, the fit of the C2 is substantially different to the C3 and this no doubt may influence the noise levels for certain head shape/size combinations. I can wear a C3 (and indeed now do) but I could not even put on the C2 or the BMW System 6. I had previously trialled a Caberg Sintessi that weighed over 2kg and leaked water but this sold me on the flip up concept especially as I have started wearing spectacles again. One of the issues I found was that unless the shell size is scaled up in proportion to quoted size I could not get the flip front over my chin. The C3 is made in 2 shell sizes and I have no issues with this.
Thank the Lord for ebay for offloading road tested buy before you try helmets (anyone want a carefully looked after Caberg Sintessi XL in white?)!

That's another thing that impressed me about the Shoei Neotec: 3 shell sizes. XS-M, L, and XL-XXL.
The Schuberth's shell sizes are XS-L and XL-XXXL. In the Schuberth I needed the XL size which means jumbo spaceman lid.

I've tried living with, ooh I dunno, about fifteen lids since I started riding. I'm 3,000 miles into wearing my C3 now and I couldn't be happier with it. I.e. It's the best helmet I've owned, all things considered.
I don't think the cooling vent on the top of the helmet is quite as effective as when I first got it; no doubt it needs to be pinged off and cleaned inside, but otherwise it'd been totally comfortable from day one, nothing has broken or become loose and it's the quietest, most comfy and practical helmet I've used too. Three hundred mile days without ear-plugs not a problem so long as you keep speeds below a ton.
Caveat: brilliant if you ride a cruiser, tourer, adventure bike or fairly upright street-fighter, but no good on sportier tackle as the helmet sits low on the brow and the pinlock high on the visor - so in crouch/race mode you end up looking over the lip of the pinlock between a small gap before the forehead part of the lid begins, which is not ideal. Then again if you own a ZX10 you also own an Arai/Shoei and don't do flip-tops do you? :-D
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