KTM Duke 690

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vroum_ninou
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Hi Kevin,

I read a few reviews of the new Duke 690 and am very tempted by it, both for myself (commuting, local scratching) and for my girlfriend (as her first "real" bike after learning and getting riding experience on the VTR 250). I would really like to have your take on it though as I have found that your reviews usually closely match my own experience.

Will you have a chance to try it soon?

Thanks!

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Re: KTM Duke 690

Hi Kevin,

I read a few reviews of the new Duke 690 and am very tempted by it, both for myself (commuting, local scratching) and for my girlfriend (as her first "real" bike after learning and getting riding experience on the VTR 250). I would really like to have your take on it though as I have found that your reviews usually closely match my own experience.

Will you have a chance to try it soon?

Thanks!

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Hi V_N, I should be getting hold of one in the next month though I don't have a date for it yet. I'll let you know...
From what I've seen it appears to be more everyday usable but still with a bit of fire and fun - sounds great in fact!

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Great Kev! Looking forward to reading your review on it.

It seems indeed that this new Duke is to the old Duke like the SMT is to the original Supermoto: more practical but just as fun.

With an Akrapovic system and a Shorai battery it should be below 155 kg fully wet. Sounds like fun to me with a 70hp single!

The Akrapovic system might give it an extra pony or two. They have a race version for this year's junior cup that pumps out 79hp! That kit (exhaust, camshaft and open air box) is available already as an accessory. It's not for road use though... and I would worry about reliability.
But check it out here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOc_Lpph3f0&feature=youtu.be

The only thing, is that, as all KTMs, it has a pretty high seat at close to 82 cm. That would be a problem for my girlfriend. Fortunately, the bike is light and fairly narrow at the seat. My girlfriend had more trouble sitting on the G650GS and its 78 cm seat than on the Duke, just because of the width of the G650GS' seat.
The dealer has already told me that they could lower the bike through a custom suspension rod. I don't want to lower it too much that way in order not to compromise ground clearance, but 2 cm would be fine I think, raising the fork tubes in the triple clamp by a similar amount to keep the geometry of the bike.

I think a combination of suspension lowering, minimum preload, low seat and special boots (Daytona Ladystar) would make it manageable for her (get the seat height down by 4 cm to 77/78 cm). Right now they don't have a low seat for it though. Might have to go with a custom seat...

Anyway, it was a convoluted way of asking you if the ground clearance would be a problem if the Duke was lowered by 2 cm (suspension mounting mod).

I think I would make it a mix of these 2:

Duke.jpg Duke_2.jpg
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Re: KTM Duke 690

Me too Ninou, Yum yum!

I believe KTM has a 250 single in the pipeline too, which would almost certainly be lower and more frugal.

Just to put the katy kat amongst the Honda pigeons, how will the Duke stack up against the NC, fuel-wise. Ridden 'sensibly', of course!
(lights blue touchpaper and slinks off......)

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Hey Cub!

That's a 350 that KTM is working on. It will be the next mini-Duke after the 125 and the 200.
I've been clamoring for it since I have known about the 125, but it will now come a little late. By the time it comes out, my girlfriend will not be limited by her A2 licence any more. I'm curious what it will be like though.

The 690 is a better choice however for touring (my kind of touring at least: solo and all twisties with no highways unless absolutely unavoidable), especially with the same nice luggage option as the SMT. I would also use it as my commuting bike regularly I think. It would probably be as fun as the SMT but be more frugal.

Although, on that subject, it won't be nearly as good as the NC because it was not its main design goal... and it will probably egg you on to ride like a maniac, like all KTMs!

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Re: KTM Duke 690

How would you compare the Hypermotard 796 with the Duke 690?

They should be close in price and weight, with the 796 having about 11hp more, and a more relaxed/smoother ride at motorway speeds with its v-twin engine.

Since the Duke 690 isn't coming to the USA yet, I'm thinking of the 796 as a possible option. Yes, I'd rather have the 1100 but not at almost $15k US! Many other options at that price.

I'm really looking for a light B-roads bike to ride with my GS buddies.

Cheers.

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Hi Kevin, I am looking forward to your insight into the updated 2012 Duke 690. I am keen to learn of the fuel economy and practicality as a daily commuter bike in addition to how it performs on back roads with irregular surfaces. How effective is the ABS regarding stopping distance, fork compression during braking, and tendency to lift the rear. Thanks a million. Cheers!

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They are bringing out a lower seat option (saving 1 inch) and a lowering kit (available around start August) which includes a shorter side-stand and bushes to shorten front forks. Based on other bikes, I suspect this will take a further inch off the height. Being short, this is of interest to me too!

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That's interesting news Sofiaspin. Where did you get your info from regarding the low seat? I can't seem to find any info about a low seat for new Duke on KTM's website or anywhere on the internet.
To be fair, I only know about the lowering kit because the KTM dealer told me about it a few weeks ago. At the time there was no low seat available. KTM need to improve the info on their website...

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Vroum - by ringing KTM in Brackley and speaking to a very helpful member of staf as they know what is in the pipeline - sometimes it pays to pick up the phone and talk to a human being!

KTM-Sportmotorcycle UK Limited
KTM House, Ward Road
Brackley
Northamptonshire NN13 7LE
Tel +44 (0)1280 709500

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Thanks Sofia!

Thanks for the detailed info about the dealer but I'm in Spain. :-)

I'll check with my dealer, the one who told me about the lowering kit but that did not have any info about a low seat at the time.

That being said, KTM should have their website up-to-date with this kind of info. A lower seat availability, can be a make or break deal for somebody evaluating various models when buying a bike, especially a KTM, as they tend to be on the higher side. That info should be not only present but prominent, especially for a model that has been available for several weeks now.

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Thanks for the review Kev, good, as always. I would fault part of your conclusion though. That the Street Triple could be seen as more desirable for only £300 is very understandable. It's heavier but you do get more hp. And it's damn fine and exciting bike too!
The same cannot be said for the Gladius though! You do not really get more hp: what's a measly 2 hp when it comes with an extra 50 kg of lard?! It's £1000 cheaper and it is a fine bike, but I don't think it can compare to the Duke for fun and handling.