Importing a bike
I just subscribed to this site and 'I love it', as Frank Drebin would say.
With good prices and good offers in the UK, together with the favourable exchange rate, I consider importing a bike into Belgium; I hope to find a bargain brandnew VFR VTEC.
Such a bike costs 12990€ at my dealer; that is the price with discount for a basic VFR VTEC ABS without any optional extras. This bike imported from the UK, costs me about 10250€; without any discount. It would save me a minimum of 2000€.
So, I am looking for information on dealers and deals in the UK.
What dealers does anyone suggest in the South East?
How is a deal made in the UK, ie what about discounts, optional extras,...?
What is the best time to buy a bike? When do you get the best offers?...
Any info would be great!
Beke
Get informed, go to your local government agency and ask what is needed. Usually the local automotive association can help you (ADAC in the UK).
You'll need things like CE certification of the bike and other stuff like that, the dealer can provide if you request it.
Get all your paperwork straight before you set the buy or you can get in an endless time and patience consuming process.
I would aslo check the need (if any) and costs of converting the bike to continental spec or if the dealer can order you directly a continental spec bike. The speedo should be easy as I guess is electronic, the lights might need some physical parts...
How the tables have turned... Ten years ago I imported an Alfa 156 from Holland and saved myself more than 5 grand, a third of the price. It was easier for me than most as my wife's Dutch, so I wrote about it in the Telegraph and the whole import thing went mental!
It's worth noting that many bikes these days have symmetrical headlight patterns, so you won't need to change that, and on bikes with digital speedos you can usually convert the mph to kph with buttons on the dash. Some let you do this openly, with others you might need some inside info, but if you pick the right bike you won't have to make any changes, and every bike in the UK comes with EU type approval so you can register it in Belgium without any extra paperwork being needed, in exactly the same way as a dealer would - as BatuKMan says, the dealer can give you all the paperwork that comes with the bike.
You also have the option either of paying Belgian taxes or British ones - VAT in the UK is 17.5 per cent, I believe it's 21 per cent in Belgium, so paying UK VAT will save you. There is no vehicle purchase tax in the UK (what we call car tax, which also applies to bikes), so make sure you don't end up being forced to pay Belgian car tax - you won't have to if you do everything through the UK tax system, and this is your legal right. It's the taxes which make up most of the price differences between the UK and Belgium, possibly more so than the exchange rates.
You'll need to think about how you get the bike to Belgium. A van would solve most problems, but if you ride it you'll either need to register it in advance with a Belgian number - I don't know if this is possible - or you could get a temporary UK export plate. A bike dealer should be able to help with this, but don't bet on it... If not, we can get you some contact details of the registration authorities here.
Best time to buy is at the end of the season, from September onwards and into the winter as dealers will be wanting to shift stock and be very open to deals.
If you want to find south east dealers, go to the manufacturers' UK websites and do a dealer search either with a south east town like Maidstone, or a south east postal code: CT1 3XW is in Canterbury near Dover, try that.
What dealers does anyone suggest in the South East?
P&O ferries also do Zeebrugge/ Hull, which is longer by distance but not always more expensive than the shorter routes. That gives you access to dealers in the north/ north east of England who may be more flexible on price.
I see that Miles Kingsport of Hull are already offering £500 of clothing/ accessories on the VFR - http://www.mileskingsport.com/
In recent years Honda UK have run winter sales incentives e.g. including panniers & heated grips in the price of a bike for a limited period. That would be well worth having on the VFR given the price of the accessories, if such a deal applied to a bike for export.
Note it's the VFR800 VTEC Beke is talking about...
Didn't spot that. VFR blindness must be setting in!
I should think Beke would have a very good chance of cutting a deal on the VTEC. It looked very well in the white/ silver/ black (with white wheels) combo they did last year and there'll be some still around in dealers.
Have a search on Bike Trader, Beke.
Another important aspect which is I forgot to mention in my previous post is warranty.
EU says they have to give it to you even you bought in another country... blah blah blah.
The true is completely different, the Belgium dealers may turn their heads when you pop your new bike with a warranty claim and then you either get to the UK to get it fixed by who sold you the bike or have the trouble of upsetting yourself to get it fixed by your local dealers.
Regarding imports, if you look around I'm sure there is a company that can take care of everything for you and it may end up being cheaper then you doing yourself, seek in the car classic forums, they are much more open to these kind of things and may point you in the right direction.
Thanks for all the comments. I surely need to look into lots of things before making a final decision.
I already made inquiries on this matter and, in theory, it shouldn't be that difficult.
Every new European bike comes with a certificate of conformation, which is valid for all European countries. Registering it isn't a problem.
Transportation should also be easy. Just insure the bike for one day, get to the UK, use my personal Belgian license plate and ride it home. I only have to take the proper lanes!!
Warranty. Well, it is a Honda. I never had any problems with other models I owned, so I don't expect any of this to happen.
VAT is an interesting point. According to Kevin, it is possible to choose where one pays the VAT, but I am not convinced about that. The Belgian Department of Finances sent me a document/procedure on how to import a bike. Probably this is different for every other country.
Let me explain.
A difference is made between a new bike and used bike; a used bike has a first registration of older than 6 months and should also have more than 6000km on the odometer. So, every used bike isn't always a used bike!!!
For every new bike, the VAT has to be paid in the country where one imports it to. In this case, the 21% of Belgium. For a used bike, the VAT has to be paid in the country of origin if you buy at a dealer, or no VAT at all if it is a private deal!
That is it. I will have to pay all the taxes in Belgium, unless there is a workaround! I can only think of one solution. What if I register the bike in the UK, but I don't know if that is possible for someone with no residence over there?
Anyone another idea/suggestion?
Greetings,
Beke
You also have the option either of paying Belgian taxes or British ones - VAT in the UK is 17.5 per cent, I believe it's 21 per cent in Belgium, so paying UK VAT will save you. There is no vehicle purchase tax in the UK (what we call car tax, which also applies to bikes), so make sure you don't end up being forced to pay Belgian car tax - you won't have to if you do everything through the UK tax system, and this is your legal right. It's the taxes which make up most of the price differences between the UK and Belgium, possibly more so than the exchange rates.
Hello Kevin,
can you explain about the option of choosing where to pay VAT? I cannot find any information about it!
Thanks.
Beke
Hello Kevin,
can you explain about the option of choosing where to pay VAT? I cannot find any information about it!
Thanks.
Beke
All I did was speak to my local tax office, but it was easier for me as I wanted to pay UK taxes and was bringing the car here too. I don't know exactly how it works in Belgium, but one option would be to ask the dealer you're buying from make sure he invoices you for UK VAT, and once it's paid the Belgian authorities can't ask you for VAT again.
Have you been to this site?
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/ImportingA...
If you have doubts why not shoot them an email.
I have decided to import a bike from the UK. Now I am just looking for a good deal.
The websites of all Honda dealers mention pre-registered bikes. What is a pre-registered bike and what are its benefits?
I am interested in a pre-registered VFR VTEC, with free panniers and top case, from Hunts Motorcyles. Does anyone have any experience with this dealer?
http://www.huntsmotorcycles.co.uk/
I don't know how deals are made in the UK, but what discount should a dealer offer if I pay this bike in cash?
Beke
Honda dealers (and others) often register bikes simply to make the statistics look better so Honda stays ahead in new bike sales, also because they have sales targets and get rewarded for meeting them - registering a bike counts as a sale - and it's also a way of giving customers a discount without it looking like you're discounting, which is frowned upon by some importers. Technically it makes the bike secondhand, but in practice it although it has one previous owner in the logbook, it will have very few miles on it and for most purposes it's a new bike.
I don't know Hunts personally but it's a large, official Honda dealer so you're not dealing with cowboys or anything like that.
Dealers don't always make big discounts for cash buyers because they make a lot of their profits from loan agreements, they'd actually prefer you to get a loan (through them, naturally...) than pay cash. Even so, cash is very helpful for their cashflow, so do ask for a discount anyway.
The pre registered ones would be technically second hand on one count, i.e. already registered to one owner but would nit meet the 6,000 km criteria. It would have UK plates on it however -could you ride it home & then register it in Belgium to"import" it once you'd done 6,000 km?
I always use Kent Motorcycles on the A2 between Canterbury & Dover, top people to deal with.
Currently thinking of turning my newly bought VFR 800 VTEC from an English bike to a Swedish registered one. Funny how some of the import rules seem to be the same in a lot of the european countries.
I bought mine from P&H in Crawley which amongst others is also an approved Honda dealer. I bought mine (white & black) for £9000 without luggage as i swapped my luggage over from the Triumph Tiger i traded in for it. These guys have secondhand ones as well as new ones.
I have the same thing to think about up here, bike needs to have 6500kms on it and be six months old before i can register it. There is a fee for registration but no import duty as it's a eurospec bike. The lights on the VFR have a central beam so no need to change that (just make sure they are adjusted properly), and on the VFR, it's one keypress to change it from MPH to KPH. Strange that eurospec models don't have this feature, only UK spec bikes. At least that i'm aware of.
Not sure on the VAT regulations, but as long as it's paid somewhere, you should be fine.
I finally found, bought and imported a 2009 Honda VFR VTEC. All went very easy. Less than £7000 for a pre-registered, low mileage ex- demo, is a bargain to me.
Coming from a 2007 CBR600RR, you feel and see that this VFR is (getting) old. One annoying thing about it, is riding the VFR with a cold engine. It is very difficult to ride off and maneuver it because the stationary rpm with a cold engine gets to around 4000rpm.
Can anyone tell me that is normal behaviour for a VFR?
Beke
What do you mean by stationary rpm? You mean the engine tickover when it's standing idle when you start it up? If so that should be around 1100 rpm, no more. I've never had difficulty roaring off into the distance from cold. I normally let it warm up anyway for a few minutes.
I never let the engine warm up when standing still; I just push the starter button and ride off and let the engine slowly come to temperature. It is just one of my habits.
Standing in idle and with a cold engine, the engine turns at about 2500rpm. Riding off is no problem, but when I need to close the throttle before entering a corner, the engine just keeps on going; it doesn't slow down. I need to use the clutch and brake to get through the corner. Same story when I stop; the engine is idling at 4000rpm. This makes it difficult to ride off again. I need to rev the engine and use the clutch to get going.
Once the engine is at temperature, it runs fine. It is just a little bit annoying since I didn't have this with the CBR.
I owned one 2002 VFR VTEC before, but I cannot remember this behaviour.
Something is very wrong there as it shouldn't be doing that. I'd get that looked into asap. As i said, normal tickover whether warm or cold is around 1100 RPM. Sounds like something is stuck if you ask me.
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beke,
give the guys at P&H Crawley a call: http://phmotorcycles.co.uk/
They are roughly 90 minutes drive from the tunnel, or 10 minutes in a cab from Gatwick airport.
Other honda dealers in the same sort of area are
Tippetts: http://www.honda-tippetts.co.uk/
Dobles: http://www.doble.co.uk/
Hope that helps.