Husqvarna Nuda

Interesting review Kevin.
As a Forester, I'm more familiar with the Husky name in relation to chainsaws. The Nuda bit therefore gives me the shivers....
However, as usual, I digress.
I take you point about the SM-T being a worthier rival (paticularly in a touring role) but don't you think the Hypermotard 796 is perhaps a closer match with the standard 900(tank range included)?
And how does it stack up against BMW's F800R? Nippier obviously; edgier; more rewarding to ride?

I think we must conclude that the occupant of Husqvarna's legal dept. has a memory unakin to that of a certain long-nosed pachyderm:
http://www.bikeexif.com/suzuki-nuda
And that no marine biologists are employed…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuda

Below is what I wanted to post today from work, but could not, still being blocked by the spam filter for whatever reason...
Hi Kevin!
Great review on the Nuda. As a KTM SMT owner I was pretty curious to get your take on that bike.
A friend of mine got to try it as well, as he is a BMW dealer and was raving about it. But I can't trust him, he raves about anything BMW, or now Husqvarna too!
He was already raving about the F800ST/GS/R engine, and as you state yourself in the review, it is a very competent engine but also pretty unexciting.
So I didn't know if I could trust him when he started raving about the Nuda's engine, which is based on the aforementioned 800 engine.
Apparently he wasn't exaggerating too much for once. To say that this engine is up there with the SMT's engine in rider appeal is quite a statement.
The handling does not seem to be as good though, not too mention practicality.
Funny, I thought the handling would be as good or even better than the SMT but that the engine would be lacking compared to the SMT.
I thought so because, well, the 800 engine on which it is based is unexciting but the bike looked very light. So I thought the handling would be great, the engine just OK and practicality would suck.
I only had one out of three. The other two I got in reverse.
Anyway, a couple of questions: what is the definition of dry weight for Husqvarna? Any idea of the real weight (curb weight, no fuel for example)?
What kind of info is available on the display? Is there an onboard computer available as an option like for the BMWs?
Thanks!

And this is the answer I got from Kevin after emailing him my post... since I could not post it!
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Hi, well I'd have guessed exactly the same as you, a dull engine and sharp chassis, so it was a bit of a surprise. The motor's exceptionally good, and the handling's fine in normal riding if a bit vague at times, it's just too soft for anything really sporty, and you'd have expected better practicailty from something from the BMW stable.
I didn't get a dry weight definition but I have found the wet weight, which is 195kg with 90 per cent fuel load (11.7 litres), so they managed to lose some 20kg by draining everything for the dry measurement. Does make you wonder what the point is...
I'm a little embarrassed to say I'm not sure about all the dash info. Oddly there's nothing about it in the press info and I was struggling to get it all to work while riding, although I did find that an odd number that was appearing was actually the number of litres of fuel remaining, which is pretty important on this bike. The rest seemed to be the standard, basic info. I'll see what else I can glean though. There isn't any on board computer option though.
Kevin
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Another nice review - thanks Kevin.
If Husqvarna reps positioned this bike against the SMT, then they are misled IMO. More like a rival to Ducati's Hypermotard 1100 EVO/EVO SP or perhaps KTM's SM-R. Perhaps you can even throw in Aprilia Dorsoduro 1200, which IMO is much bigger/heavier and not really a good comparison. Actually, you might even include the Monster 1100EVO, given its power, weight, fuel range, price etc.
Actually, the Nuda seems to have been designed to directly target the Hypermotard 1100. Just look at their power/weight/fuel capacity and appearance - all within fractions of each other! While the 1100EVO SP is priced considerably higher, the regular EVO model is similarly priced vs the Nuda R.
Too bad about the standard Nuda's soft suspension - an easy thing to fix, however.
I also didn't originally have much faith in its engine upon hearing of its BMW 800 twin origin.
Kevin - many of these bikes will be used as everyday transportation, especially in Italy, which is where side cases can come in very handy. In any case, BMW tends to be "practical/utilitarian" in their philosophy - probably rubbed off on Husqvarna.
Cheers.

The question that comes to my mind is if BMW will use the engine modifications in their own bikes? It sounds as if it is a huge improvement on the standard mill.
I would also be interested to learn if there is real world value in shelling the extra out for the R vesrion.
All talk of comparison aside, I would imagine that many of the people who would consider this bike would not really buy it primarily as a track or touring machine, so perhaps as an every day road machine it shall find devotees. It carries a much more unusual badge than others, even the small factory KTM, so perhaps that novelty factor combied with the knowledge that it does have BMW behind it, may make it an interesting proposition.

Any talk of Husky makes me think back to the early eighties when as a youngster my father raced one of their famous off-road machines. This was in the dying days of off-roaders having drum brakes and this one had a 430cc two-stroke motor. In other words it went like the clappers but wasn't too keen on stopping! Looked gorgeous too with twin Ohlins rear shocks and a metal fuel tank.
Anyway, I digress. This Nuda looks really interesting. To my mind it appears to offer a real-roads type of product. Something that one could use for lighter touring as well as your normal blast.
Nice looking detailing too and I'm not so sure that Husky have missed the boat on this one. A more comfy hypermoto with panniers and some useful creature comforts such as the trip computer seem to make sense to me.
I'd love to ride one.

The starting procedure is a bit fiddly though.
Judging by Husqvarna's USA website, it doesn't look like the NUDA 900 will be sold here. I say this because the website does not include the NUDA. While their other country websites do.
Waiting to hear back from the company. Will keep you posted.
My BMW sales rep seems to think the NUDA will be coming-to-America, but only through some privately owned BMW dealerships. Anyway, I'm not holding my breath.
Unfortunately, it appears that KTM have dropped their SM-R in America. This is probably the closest rival, along with the Hypermotard 1100SP EVO.
For comparison purposes, BMW's F800R is listed as weighing 199kg wet (with 90% full tank), which makes the NUDA's 195kg weight believable.
For the weightweenies out there (I certainly am with bicycles), this makes the NUDA about 10-15kg lighter than the SM-R and probably the same as either the Hytermotard or Monster 1100 - which are air-cooled. Not bad at all.
As for tank range, the F800R is rated as doing 65mpg at 55mph (US website), which I believe since my K1300GT does 48-49mph (actual, not readout). Therefore, the NUDA will have a range greater than any of its closest rivals. Probably by at least 20 miles. I'm guessing 135+mile range at the very least. With a light throttle, you could conceivably see 180+ miles. Cycle World listed the Hypermotard's range as 116 miles!
There are several videos of the NUDA in action on YouTube. Check out the longer ones, 4-6 minutes done by the same magazine. There are a couple track videos as well. Speaking of track, one of the journalists said that while the bike didn't especially feel that fast, he lapped within just over 1 second of his best time, on a Daytona 675 shod with better rubber.
While I like the R's red color scheme, I would probably opt for the standard version and stiffen the front forks. The difference in price just doesn't justify what you get in return. Plus, I'd prefer the lower seat and less aggressive brakes. Its shorter gearing isn's practical for street use as the standard version already has fairly short gearing.
This bike sounds like a blast to me. As I said previously, it's not an SMT beater, but a really fun bike which could also be used as everyday transportation, especially with bags.
My plan to get a Street Triple for shorter/fun rides has been put on hold - for now.
Cheers.

Quote: "For the weightweenies out there"
Oh we're out here alright.
Usually to be found in sheds, drilling holes in lumps of aluminium.

I'm a big weight weenie (I rode 350 km of mountain roads on a 350 kg bike today) and I doubt that the Nuda is 15 kg lighter than an SMR.
The kerb weight for an SMR is 192 kg (one more than last year) and if you fill its 15-liter tank with 14 liters (more than 90%) of unleaded that's extra 10 kg, so you get 202 kg. So if Husqvarnas stated weight is wet weight, then that's a 7 kg difference. It's pretty good actually!
I'm not sure if Husqvarna uses the same system as BMW to list its weights though, but it does look pretty light! So may be that's the wet weight.
What I like with the Supermoto, is that if you get a set of Akrapovic aftermarket exhaust, you save a whopping 9 kg! I don't know many bikes where you save that much with a set of aftermarket exhausts. It's usually between 3 and 6 kg.
It's great to have more choice for this kind of bikes!
You've been fairly accurate with weights before so I won't argue about a few kgs. You must admit the Nuda looks "light". Definitely smaller than the SMR, at least in the videos.
You can replace exhausts on all bikes, saving precious kgs, and even the battery for another 4+ kgs.
While I probably ride one of the heaviest bikes here (290kg?), I can appreciate the advantages of a light bike on twisty roads.. In fact, IMO, lightness increases the "fun factor".
My Harley weighed close to 900lbs, so I can imagine what you had to deal with on your long ride.
Cheers

Yeah, I know that you replace exhaust on all bikes. It's just not very usual to be able to gain 9 kg on sport bikes or naked bikes, it's usually half that, on average.
I have heard about the lighter batteries. But are they reliable? Durable? Do they deliver the same power? They must be super expensive.
The good thing with the exhaust, at least with the full lines, is that you gain in performance while also saving on weight!
I mean you can also save some important (rotating, non suspended) weight by fitting lightweight aluminium sprockets and a smaller racing chain. But I would not do that on a road bike, especially the racing chain.
I rode a fully loaded K1600GTL today. That's quite an engine on that bike! It doesn't go too badly in fact, but the weight is definitely there! That heft coupled with that deceptively fast engine and almost no engine braking means that you need to stay focused or the next corner could surprise you! It brakes very well though. It took me a good 100 km to get comfortable with it, finding the best way to hustle it. That engine sounds nice when you find the room to push it through a few gears!
Check out "Shorai" lithium batteries. A little more expensive but longer lasting, MUCH lighter and smaller. They also hold their charge longer. More and more riders are switching over. Don't forget, reducing weight at the battery's high placement will make noticeable handling improvements.
While the k1600GTL handles remarkably well for such a heavy bike (actually turns in better than mine), it's performance is significantly down compared to the 13GT, ,but still much better than say a Wing. While testing it, I found myself constantly using 3rd instead of 4th or even 5th on mine. Not sure where all that torque went? I'm not ready to size-up once again.
You ARE the weight-weenie amoungst us. LOL
Cheers

Thanks for the info on the batteries, I'll check it out!
I haven't tried the K1200 or 1300 bikes. That's probably the only modern BMW motorcycle engine I have not tried. I remember there was some discussion here about this performance difference between the K1300 and K1600 engines. I don't remember the conclusion, was it gearing (and weight! :-P)?
I actually was using 2nd, 3rd and 4th gear since I was riding mountain roads. I was almost using the same gears as on an R1200GS or my SMT! The only difference is that I tended to stay in 3rd gear in some corners where I usually go down to 2nd. I agree that in higher gears the acceleration from lower rpm felt a little underwhelming given that we are talking about a 1600 6 cylinder engine. But in the "right" gear, I thought this bike was accelerating really well out of turns for such a heavy beast.

I wondered the same myself on the press launch so I did some sums, and this seems to explain it: BMW K1600GT Torque Comparison
Kevin - I'm impressed with all of your calculations!!! Thanks.
I must confess, the difference felt much greater than 5% or so. The K1600GTL performs the same as an FZ8! Not that impressive for a 1600cc.
As for the Nuda, Motociclismo's January 2012 issue includes a Nuda vs Tiger 800 comparison. They offered very fair comments IMO - since Husqvarna is Italian/German.
They were very impressed with its engine but not its comfort, quality of some parts (switchgear), soft forks etc. - but was really fun to ride. By the way, according to their findings, its range is about 250km on the highway. Pretty good for 12.65 litres. Its performance is similar to a Street Triple.
The Tiger 800 received accolades for its practicality, handling, comfort, - was criticized for running hot in traffic. Had never heard of this before!
Cheers.
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Nuda than a very nude thing!