Better the devil you know? Discuss...
Apparently 220 lbs lighter than a VMax!
Two word: bad ass.
Is this in the pipeline?
Fugly as hell.
I gotta say, following on from a generic theme of 'don't fancy yours much' when it comes to prototype spy shots, and then having my head turned once it's got it's lippy on - the new Ducati Diavel (Bologna dialect for 'Devil') really does look rather good in the flesh, of the first official pictures.
The muscle cruiser looks now seem more polished with a lick of paint. There's some really nice detail touches, like the upper curve edges of the tank which seem to stand proud in a line fro front to rear. The vertical line stop and indicator lenses look better on the ducktail, and the wide rear tyre seems to suit the styling over function imposing presence.
That tyre, and the longer wheelbase, not to mention a dozen extra kilos or so over the Multi, will naturally affect dynamic ability, particularly the wrong side of a ton. However, over here in the land of sunshine and pose, the drag-strip cruiser looks outweigh any R1 annoying abilities.
The overpriced and undersold VMax may have a model specific heritage, but at the end of the day it's still a Japanese four. Harley's have brand heritage, but they are heavy and there's much to clean, even if it rarely rains in the south here, and salt is reserved for cajun shrimps. The Ducati has brand coolness second to none, little to clean and surely su ffice performance form the MTS derived 11 degree testastretta L-twin. If they down gear it to 130 terminal speed, lob a tad off the bhp in favour of even more torque, and keep the DTC, then it will be a very credible 0-60 and midrange crushing heavy presence cruiser.
Not everyone, or maybe very many, will want that. But those who like the idea of a power cruiser, but find Harley's and Victory's too antique. And Vmax's and Stars, too Japanese. And Rockets too heavy and imitation. Then for those, I think it could be just what they've been waiting for. And perhaps the fewer Ducati sell, the more exclusive that will make it feel, and the happier those owners will be? I don't know? But I do know that I'm strangely drawn to it. And that means it probably makes the short list for now.
Double post - finger trouble on the iPad!
Sorry Rob O didn't answer your question. Official unveiling is at the start of Nov, but it's already in the news section of the official Ducati web site, so expect an EOY journo launch. And spring for availability.
The Diavel's natural competitors are the Vmax, VRod Muscle, Victory Hammer and Rocket 3. It will be much faster and more dynamic than the Hammer. It will have far less weight and a much kinder gearbox than the R3. And it will be far cooler with the Ducatisti beautiful people than the VRod is with the Hogniscenti. Just add full Termi and Chilean coal-minor Oakley's, then bathe in the admiring glances as you haul away from Starbucks...
I am keen to see it really in the flesh. I kind of like it so far.
Maybe not jumping for a Multistrada straight away was a good move. Keep the super bike for the track and get this for the street. Think I will book a test ride when it hits the streets.
Yeah it's going to be a poser bike rather than a hop on and drive to the alps sort of multi thing. I'd buy it just to look at. Always had a soft spot for the v-max but the handling is underwhelming.
I'll explain my previous comment.
I hope Ducati doesn't fall in the same mistake Mercedes did, a million models for the million niches, it all looses perspective and sense.
Ducati is known for their Superbikes and Monsters, they've brought some interesting models to the market but I think is a good plan to sever to what people look for in a Ducati.
I don't think they have enough resources to develop so many bikes at once. I rather hoped they've stood focused.
The Ducati Diavel for me is a bit like the Porsche Cayenne, it should never exist. Ducati makes sport bikes, HD makes customs bikes, that's it, I don't a HD superbike nor a Ducati V-Rod.
Ducati get rid of the Diavel development and get back to WSBK.
Thing is the Porsche Cayenne directly subsidises GT3RS model development. Such exotic models would never work financially in isolation, especially given their amazingly low sticker prices.. I would never buy a super bike or monster as I can't fit on one but the multi enticed me in and to my mind does a Carrera S type job. At £14k it must also subsidise Ducati Superbike development.
'Maybe not jumping for a Multistrada straight away was a good move. Keep the super bike for the track and get this for the street.'
... An 848 EVO for the track and a Diavel for the road would garner a few envious glances I'm sure!
'I'd buy it just to look at'
... Like an RC30 or 916 on release, it wouldn't look out of place sat on a wooden floor at the back of an art gallery. I wonder if the wife would let me warm it up whilst nurtured indoors? :-D
Batman, good to get your views. I understand where you're coming from and have some empathy with your general premise. But, I don't think this is sacrilege for Ducati, to diversify in a very difficult time of tricky global economies. I.e who are we to tell KTM that they can only make dirt bikes? Or BMW that they mustn't make a better sports bike than, well, everyone basically? And if in making a non sports bike Ducati have made their biggest selling global model this year in the Multistrada, then I guess they feel that a bank balance in the black, trumps remaining clinically true to heritage ideals of old?
You are true to your ideals which I respect. Truly. But think of it this way. I've (eventually) accepted that Bon Jovi are never again, going to be that hardcore rock and roll band of twenty years hence, that I so want them to be. And if they were, then I'd be made up personally - but they'd probably then no longer be in the charts awhen they released something new; and I'd be searching through the bargain bins for their long discarded by the masses CDs. Ducati have to look at new ways of enticing new business too. Their heartbeat will always be track bikes, as Harleys will be customs, and Triumph's triples. But let's just cut them all a little slack to try new things. If people don't like them, then let the sales figures represent the voice of the people. And so far this year, Ducati's sales chart shouts that the voice of the people is that they're fed up being sodomised by rock hard saddles. However, each to their own eh? ;-D
I am not sure that will turn out to be the case, or at least I shall not be surprised if it does not. As a dyed in the wool Ducati man I would say that the marque has increasingly developed its bikes over the years to be more useable whilst keeping something indefinably Ducati about them. Look at the 916 and its derivates which we all know are as gorgeous as an Angelina Jolie/Cameron Diaz naked lesbian romp in chocolate. However the 999 and subsequent models, whilst arguably losing some style, were still better users bikes. The Multistrada, well we all know how good that is and it could be argued that whilst it was of course a replacement for the previous Mutley also replaced the excellent ST range and has improved on them also. The Monster has managed to maintain its unique "thing" whilst getting better in the new incarnations and even the Hypermotard has changed into something more usable. I really don't believe that Ducati will make a bike that is not suitable for every day use, or as much as most most modern day bikers associate as being every day, with the exception of the Desmoseidici and that makes no apologies for being anything other than a head down, arse up track tool.
I also don't agree with the notion that Ducati should stick to sport bikes and Monsters. OK so the Monster has kept the factory alive but the sport bike market is not as big as it was and in places it is a significantly lower level niche. Financially the factory could not survive on that alone. I am sure that the company also realises that many of their customers are getting older and whilst they still want to maintain that edge and essensce of Ducati they don't want to wrap themselves around a 1198 any more - or can't. I am sure that this will still handle like a dream, go like hot shit off a shovel and maintain that spirit of Borgo Panigale in buckets.
I for one can't wait.
I am a recent Ducati convert to the MTS from too many BMW's, Honda's et al.I also have been a Porshe 911 loyalist for far too long even though they are now an off-road 4x4 car company(55% of sales are Cayenne)
I read with interest the opinions of bike enthusiasts and their undoubted commitment and loyalty to different Brands.
Maybe I miss the point but the starting point for me is that bike producers are firstly financial business's operating in a fickel agressive marketplace. They make choices about new models, invest, develop and tell bikers how good the 'New Halo' will be - and we, as customers, choose to support or ignore.
The sales reaction to the MTS and Honda VFR are where it's at.
Will the Diavel sell,time will tell. It's a brave move to get a financial return in a new segment and may prove a winner.
If the Diavel becomes 55% of Ducati sales then it will fund more investment and great Ducati bikes. Porsche have doubled in size and more since the ugly Cayenne was launched, you can't call that a 'track based 4x4 in the 911 mould' or can you?
Good luck to Ducati
I think I was ill advised referring to the Diavel as a poser's bike, it won't be. For a B road blast on a Saturday morning I expect it to be outstanding. Likewise London dwellers in search of a high cred cafe racer as a monster upgrade need look no further. I expect it to be a great success.
The Multistrada is a sportsbike that's been cunningly disguised as a GS clone. So the Diavel strikes me as being a 1198 dressed up as a V-Rod, which means it's not going to fit into the cruiser class in the way that its critics might think.
I reckon that it's probably closer to a K1300R. I've said that in various places, and probably elsewhere on this site. :)
It's an interesting bike. I'm looking forward to seeing what it comes out like at Intermot. And given I'm leaning towards one of the big BMW nakeds right now (the K or the rumoured new R), it's on my shopping list. If the Italians sort out the ergonomics for someone who's not a midget, that is...
What they said... :-D
Ducati has just officially confirmed what nobody doubts anymore anyway, which is the bike is definitely called the Diavel, but they've also supplied an official teaser pic:
Same pic as first link in thread! :-D
The red and carbon compliments each other really well. I like the front to back ridge on each side and the embossed Ducati logo of the tank. It is getting DTC and ABS, so expect a stock and bling S version, as per MTS. Ducati claim 456 lbs and based on proto spy shots the seat height won't be a problem for anyone.
The fat painted bars look nice and the rear hoop looks bigger than 200 to me, maybe 230 even. But unlike a small wheeled Hammer it doesn't look pancake flat, rather it has a decent profile, so will hopefully turn well enough.
I don't think the wheelbase would be a problem in the US but may need tempering on some of Blighties b-roads. Its adventure bike long, but not American cruiser long, would be my impression. And the name is naturally very cool.
It is definitely the sort of bike that is going to make its owner feel special each time they stroll up to it with key in hand. And for many that will be justification enough to buy into what will undoubtedly become a whole collection of Diavel logo'd Ducati-wear and trinkets. Its the Il Monstro for the tens...
I should have checked it first...
I agree, I think the carbon and red looks really good.
I have a suspicion it'll come with launch control, although I've not heard that from any reliable sources, I just think they will because they can, and it'll be another Ducati electronic first, which they like to do.
No worries - like me, you've been off air a while, but its good to have you back!
I'm not really sure just how launch control will actually work, in the technical sense. I'd really like to see you write an article on that (apologies if Im too late) for airing in MCN (which I can no longer get - please ask The MCN Editor to sort an iPad download app, or subs via existing Zinio iPad app etc btw!) and reproduced on this site. It would be good to understand how launch differs from simple TC.
Also some tech stuff on the new ZX10s TC which seems even more techie than the gyro usage of the SRR. I'm a big fan of ever lightened and sophisticated forms of ABS and TC, even more so than power modes and lecky-suspenders, so the occaisonal geek in me wants to know all this stuff! Cheers for listening chap....
More pics - don't ask me to translate the text! :-D
[quote=Captain Scarlet]More pics - don't ask me to translate the text! :-D
I assume that's because you don't speak Czech! :-) I'll do it for a fee.
That's a good looking bike ,a bit like the Harley Street Rod.You would not confuse it with a 1198 but it looks 'purposeful'.
Guess in good Italian tradition your girfriend sits side-saddle on the tank.
I spoke with a reputable dealer today and he claims it will come with ABS and DTC but not DES. He said the price for the bling version (read: red and carbon fibre adourned) is 'twenty three nine hundred' (US dollars, nb: MTS S is about 20k). Add state tax and OTR costs and you're probably looking at another seven percent (depending on state).
At the current exchange, that's abaht sixteen large of your queen's English. So definitely premium, as it's more than a Mutleystrada fitted with lecky Ohlins and pretty carbon nostrils. I suspect the nice man at the shop can also sell you a ceramic lined Termi for that proper boss sound too.
This of course should be suffice to put everyone off. Unfortunately when manufacturers take the urine price wise, it annoyingly just makes me want their products even more! I wonder if Lizzy will sell off some corgis for a bit of Bologna bling? ;-D
Not sure why Ducati doesn't simply make a more comfortable/practical version of the Monster - with an 1198 engine.
As for the Diavel shown in the picture, I hope it's not the final version. With that short tail-end, you won't have room for bags or a passenger. All things possible on a VROD.
Oh - a good sized tank would also help. Look at the VMAX. Its limited tank range has hurt sales.
Don't get me going to todays smallish tanks....
It's called the Multistrada isn't it?
It drives me mad, so many bikes are just ruined by having silly tank sizes, it really hurts sales with some of them yet compared with all the other high tech engineering that goes into them, it's such an easy thing to sort!
It's a shame that an independent body, such as the D.o.T doesn't get a hold of an example of every new model and both weigh them, with a completely full tank and run them on a rolling road to obtain mpg's and ranges to reserve and dry at set speeds.
To overstate the very obvious, we know the bike will get lighter as it's fuel is consumed, slightly affecting a multitude of potential variables that hypothetically could be measured and that rolling roads won't take into account wind speeds, hills, stop-starts etc.
But equally, without a very large variable (little and large and thin and wide testers) or the weather conditions or other external factors such as ambient temperatures and altitudes to consider it would at least be a consistent and therefore reproduceable model that has normalized (comparing apples with apples) data that can be held up in valid relation to the next (competitors) bike stuck on the dyno.
No tyre deflations, no batteries without content, no tea spoons of fluids in tanks and sumps. No BS honest comparisons.
Manufacturers might take note more if for instance, say a Sprint GT covered 230 miles until dry versus 175 for a VFR. Or if a Diavel managed 150 vs 80 for a VMax, or whatever.
I think it's important that as customers we feed back to the manufacturer that we want 'real' values quoted ('fully' wet, with 100 percent full tank, curb road ready to roll) and that 150 mile ranges aren't acceptable as we very rarely begin a journey with a full tank of fuel. And if you live where it rains a lot, stopping for fuel is a proper pain!
P.s. The VRod Muscle is the same power cruiser genre (M109, R3, Hammer, VMax, being the other most obvious competitors), but in terms of looks, design and execution they're very different animals IMHO. As for pillions and panniers? You'd probably be best to look towards a K1600GT. drag bikes don't do large pillions or globetrotting.
Riding position, based on this proto looks comfy. I wonder what the extra unusual apparel the text speaks of is? A Diavel thong perchance? Nipple clamps? Jiggle sticks? Ahem. I guess they actually probably mean handkerchiefs or something. Doh, stobbit already...
There are 2 Diavel C models, an all-carbon finish and the red and carbon finish in the photo. The Diavel has standard paint. That red and carbon Diavel 'C' is stunning. I'm not wild about the front end, but the quality finish and the fact that it both weighs less than the Mutley and has 10% more horsepower... Should be an exciting bike, just a week away from the official debut - Nov 1. And that is indeed a 230 rear
In the words of one Ducati employee "you can run a quarter mile, then make the turn at the end to do it again keeping your feet on the pegs
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