Analog gauges vs Digital

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I've just returned to two motorized wheels (though I've been bicycling a lot over the past ten years), and the element that bugs me most is the use of digital gauges. For example, since the passing of the SportClassic line at Ducati, the marque is totally digital, I believe (which is why I'll avoid them).

Does the digital gauge bother anyone else?

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YES ! ! !

You have hit on a personal pet peeve of mine for many years.

What is so wrong with a circular analog speedo gauge and circular analog tach gauge side by side above a nice big round head light?

I DON’T LIKE DIGITAL TACHOMETERS OR SPEEDOMETERS!

I don’t like bar graph read outs too.

To me the real advantage of an analog gauge is that you can visually see the rate of change much easier than on a digital number readout. You don’t have to take time to actually read the number values, only the needle’s position.

If you have a lot of gauges to look at if they are analog gauges and set correctly a normal reading would be vertical with the needle pointing straight up. That way you only have to be aware of the analog gauge that’s different and not have to actually read each digital numerical value.

Thanks for letting me vent.

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JAG

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Best to get it off your chest.

Hee Hee.

Analogue tachometer for me every time, white faced if possible please.

A digital speedo has (regretful) advantages tho. My last few bikes were jap with analogue tacho and digital speedo. In July I bought a new R1200R, which has a very classical setup of analogue for both gauges. I love the set up. However..... For a rapid spot check of the exact speed, say when negotiating a gaggle of slowness cameras, or on those occasions where there's a murky figure hunched against a wall, pointing something at you, or even when you're pressing on a bit down a bendy road and can only afford a nanosecond glance, i miss the digital speedo.

DOH!

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Now this is a good one. I must confess that I am generally in the analogue camp also. I agree that is more convenient to do a quick sweep of gauges with a needle in an upright position and was something I used in my private pilot days. I think it is less of an issue on the bike as there are only two and it is not a huge issue to scan those. However the relative position of a needle and dial is a quick method. In saying that I find the bar graph tacho to be just as effective, even if I do so grudingly as in reality I think it is only because of my age and I grew up with analogue gauges. In saying that though the Veglia tach on my Bonnie is a real hit and a miss affair as the needle bounces between numbers so it is a case of taking an approximate mid point. Not that I really worried about the tach on that bike anyway as my ears told me all that I needed to know. Are they analogue or digital - ears that is?

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I much prefer analogue read outs over digital, on my bike anyway. My car has a HUD which ive gotten so used to, I actually find it hard to read the normal speedo now!

I do really like the TFT based 'dashboards' like you get on expensive sports cars, where the analogue speedo and rev counter are rendered in a clear, bright colourful display.

Mike

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Now that I’ve cooled down,

A few areas where digital numerical readouts are acceptable for me are values that don’t change rapidly.

Such as battery voltage, temperatures, pressures or a bar graph for fuel levels. These numerical values don’t take as much space and work well on a multi- function screen.

I agree with you shuggiemac. The very best gauge we have on our bikes is ourselves. An experienced rider really is an amazingly sensitive proactive instrument. You know when the bike is happy or having problems. When the suspension is set at its best or the correct gear is selected. Our best feature is that we can anticipate an event or situation before it actually happens and take the correct preventative action.

JAG

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All hail ye analogue fetishists. For your viewing pleasure I attach below a picture of some big dials with pointing hands.

From the left: barometric pressure, time (Harrison grasshopper escapement with half hourly Westminster chimes), distance travelled in megaparsecs.

Ahead of handlebars: navigational sextant.

Not pictured: blunderbuss holster and tobacco pouch.

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These are all optional extras on the Crosstourer.

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I'm liking that navigational sextant. For reformed alcoholics, presumably.
And is that a Small Hadron Collider on the right?

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JAG wrote:
amazingly sensitive proactive instrument

That's the excuse I've been looking for all these years!

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I hate analogue clocks and dials with hands. Always found them difficult to read and confusing. Now that digital displays & clocks have come along, it's wonderful, a real step forward. I for one will never be buying a bike again (or a watch)with old-fashioned dials and hands.

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Love the dual purpose central clock. An hour hand to measure 0-60 times and a minute hand to help the rider count revs per minute?

Am I the only one never to have owned a bike with digital clocks?

The only real use for a rev counter IMO is to tune your ear in for the first few rides, and to act as a reserve speedo when the cable breaks.
The only real use for the speedo is when passing "slowness cameras".

The only instrument I take any real notice of is the trip meter to gauge fuel.:-)

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What is a speedo "cable" ?

Must be something used in place of those tiny wires going into the digital speedo.

Only kidding. Give me a cable any day. You ever tried lubricating those wires? They don't like it up em captain mainwaring.

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LOVE THOSE GAUGES ROCCA !

Now we're talking.

The needles with the hole at the end are the best.

There is still room for another three gauges at least. Including the speedo and tach I have a total of 5 round analog gauges on the old V65. Amp and oil pressure and oil temperaure.

Lots to look and on those long straight roads.

Has anyone put any round gauges on the end of the handle bars?

Maybe a G-force meter or a wind speed meter.

I like those old brass clocks they used on ships. Always accurate regarless of angle.

JAG

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Love a digital speedo and analogue tacho combo myself. Would be happy with a digi tacho too if it incremented in 0.5 (500 revs) increments. I think digital is progress, but hey some think cork clutches are the way to go, so vive la diff!

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Re bar end devices: (those found on motor sickles, not public houses)

How about two little propellers? Could use em as wind turbines.

To power the plethora of gauges. Couple o little toothed belts. Oh yeah baby.

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Re bar end devices: (those found on motor sickles, not public houses)

How about two little propellers? Could use em as wind turbines.

To power the plethora of gauges. Couple o little toothed belts. Oh yeah baby

You’re a genius pittsy. Two birds with one stone. I have been trying to figure out how to make an inexpensive HP analog gauge (I think I can squeeze in one more gauge) based on a G-force analog gauge for some time. The problem was a way to calculate in the air drag factor. Your idea of two little propeller generators at the end of the bars solves the problem beautifully. As you so instinctively realised you would need two of them to achieve perfect balance and not affect steering.

The G-force gauge would only need to monitor the voltage as it changes with propeller speed. The current/power generated could be used to charge up a big capacitor. The energy in the capacitor would drive an electric motor for a few seconds during rapid acceleration.

You have an amazingly sensitive proactive instrument.

Plethora – what a great word – had to look it up.

Thanks,

JAG

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Never been called a genius before. Artist yes!

Why not eliminate wind drag from the equation? I'm thinking something like a steel ball in a tube, acting on a stiff lever. Attach a strain gauge to the lever, crunch some numbers and you'll know the g force.

Put a lever at the other end to measure g force under braking. We may need to allow the tube to pivot in the middle to align itself when cornering.

A simpler system would be something resembling a green grocer's spring balance, with a needle readout.

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On a former machine I used to use the visual relationship of the needles on the tacho and speedo to tell me what gear I was in if I didn't otherwise know for whatever reason. For example, if they were tracking parallel, I was in fourth. Can't do that on the Multistrada screen can I (yes I know there is a gear position indicated there, but I felt clever on the old bike).

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You're right. I do the same. I think one needs to be on the machine regularly to really get to know it. That, and simply spending some time up front latching your brain into these things.

I've been thinking about this and I reckon there's something intrinsically " right" about the relationship between forward motion and the smooth sweep of a needle across a circular dial.

Or maybe I'm just biased because that's how machines were in my formative years. I suspect not.

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I've been thinking about this and I reckon there's something intrinsically " right" about the relationship between forward motion and the smooth sweep of a needle across a circular dial.[/quote]

I agree pittsy.

JAG

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Nobody's mentioned the type/style of machine being ridden.

On sportsbike I would want a digital speedo, a quick glance gives a number, even if it's already obsolete, going up or down. Rev counters, personally I'm not so bothered about, you should know what the engines doing by ear and right hand. Not so easy on a 600 though. But a needles fine as the sweep conveys the message.

On lower revving slower stuff, like Harleys maybe a rope and log would suffice for speed measurement!

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On lower revving slower stuff, like Harleys maybe a rope and log would suffice for speed measurement!

Are we talking speeds involving knots here sutty?

JAG

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JAG wrote:

Are we talking speeds involving knots here sutty?

JAG

aye aye Captain!

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And I refer you to the suggestion listed above, from unconventional rebel, with regard to counting the revs on said machine. In the absence of lamp posts of course.

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I used to use the visual relationship of the needles on the tacho and speedo to tell me what gear I was in if I didn't otherwise know for whatever reason. For example, if they were tracking parallel, I was in fourth.

Big Guy, I can see a big potential problem with Harleys. During extended wheelies over long distances the speedo and tach relationship may not be accurate enough to judge what gear you’re in. Of course if the speedo is connected to the rear wheel you should be OK as long as you don’t do a lot of front wheel stoppies.

For you British sailors a Harley with a top speed of 300 km/hr would be sailing on the ocean at 162 knots.

JAG

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pittsy wrote:
What is a speedo "cable" ?

Must be something used in place of those tiny wires going into the digital speedo.

Only kidding. Give me a cable any day. You ever tried lubricating those wires? They don't like it up em captain mainwaring.

Wires?

They're the future. Soon replace parafin for me lighting I do hear tell.

As for clocks, give me a good old needle sweeping in a graceful arc anyday, or lying prone at the bottom of the face like on my old Ural....

Brass, that's what we need more of!

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I fully agree unconventional rebel, brass is the way to go.

That's the future. Who needs a titanium or stainless steel exhaust.

Carbon fiber is so yesterday.

A bike should have as much brass as you wife or better half can polish.

JAG

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Nickel. Now ya talkin'!

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YES!

Nickel has an understated quality about it. Definetly not "bling".

I heard a saying once that, "if it don't go chrome it".

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Visually, in principle, it shouldn't really matter what the base material is on a chromed item on a motorcycle. But I'm not sure I like the idea of chromed plastic, which we're seeing more of recently. Not only on new bikes, but on pattern parts for older machines, items such as headlamps etc . It's funny, but once I know it's plastic underneath, the outward appearance seems to change. Can only be biased opinion surely?

Any strong feelings anyone?

(light the blue touch paper....)