MV Agusta Rivale leaked

Kevin Ash
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MV Agusta has let slip an image of its new Rivale, due to be unveiled at the Milan Show in mid-November.

MV boss Giovanni Castiglioni described the bike earlier this year as a halfway between a supermoto and what he called an 'enduro', probably meaning an adventure-style bike, setting it somewhere between the Triumph Tiger 800 and Ducati's 848 Streetfighter.

The bike, which will be called the Rivale, will use an 800cc version of the 675cc three-cylinder engine currently powering the F3 and Brutale 675. It's likely an 800cc Brutale will make an appearance next year too.

MV is also looking at a rival to Ducati's Diavel, which insiders suggest will come with a 1200cc, three-cylinder engine and be called the Gran Turismo. This is slated for 2014, and the same engine is likely to appear in a Triumph Tiger/R1200GS rival called the Elefant, the name used by sibling brand Cagiva for its big capacity, Ducati-powered adventure bike in the 1980s and 1990s.

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I appreciate that the picture shown in the news section of this new MV is just a drawing but it looks rather uninspiring to me.

I look forward to seeing it in the flesh at EICMA and hope that it shall be more impressive in the metal than in the crayon.

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I think it looks quite interesting in a rangy sort of way... the drawing is allegedly dead accurate. Won't be long before we see it for real, although I don't know if I'll be riding it, I've been dropped off MV's invitation lists for my unflattering reviews of the F3.

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We shall ponder our various positions over a latte in the caff at EICMA perhaps. I am open to persuasion once I see it but these front, transformer toy like front ends are appearing all over the place and nothing really jumped off the page as being special to me. Mind you I thought the Diavel was horrible from its pre-release shots and look what happened to me with that, once I saw it for real.

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Maybe I'm the only one who thinks those 3 exhaust outlets look pants.
Seems MV are following Triumph with the 3 cylinder 675 and 800cc engines.

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You would want to be very brave to buy an MV, especially in Australia....

You want spares?

Months....

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Kevash wrote: " I've been dropped off MV's invitation lists for my unflattering reviews of the F3."

Seems a trifle childish of MV. Shame.

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Personally I think the "leaked" sketch is a red herring. Why? Firstly the seat is the same as the B3, thus not offering any comfort or ergonomic gains over the Brutale. Secondly with the MV 675 triple being shorter of stroke & wider of bore than its Triumph analogue the obvious pathway to 800cc is by lengthening the stroke. This means that the 800 will be no taller than the 675, so what is with the extra space between the top of the engine & the carried over Brutale fuel tank? A special lap top storage compartment?

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Suggiemac, I agree with your comments on the MV, however I doubt the importer has the balls to tell Verese that the sales for naked bikes in November for UK compared to 2011 was -12.1% and for supersports (both main markets for the marque of course) was down -26.3% compared to 2011.

Overall 2012/2011 Naked is -6.6% for the year and supersports -10.4% for the year.

There is also the position to consider of course that the same markets (naked and supersport) looking at 2011 against 2010 were also down -15.4% and -24.7% respectively (source MCIA) so all in all MV are selling into a drastically reducing market let alone if people like their bikes or not.

There was also the announcement recently that the Chinese (bless them) are now involved in MV Agusta so my guess is that when the proverbial hits the fan (mid 2013 I suggest) our far eastern cousins (as they did with the black cab, Benelli and Rover) will turn up as shining knights of armour and we know what happens after that!

My feeling is that Snr Castiglioni Jnr will look to make a dignified exit as soon as possible taking his cash and then saying in typical Italian style and shrug "eets a notta my faulta".

The network for MV sales in the UK is pretty dire (although there are a few extremely good dealers) but in the main there are not many reasons to encourage any buyer to purchase an MV the new Rivale being one of them but how it looks in the flesh may change my mind but I doubt it.

Sorry but all IMHO of course.

Mr I

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pittsy wrote:
Kevash wrote: " I've been dropped off MV's invitation lists for my unflattering reviews of the F3."

Seems a trifle childish of MV. Shame.


Pittsy,

I doubt it is MV Agusta, they are far too smart, i expect its the awful distribution company they use in the UK a company called MotoGB I understand. Not heard a good report about them to be honest, even from some of their own MV dealers.

Mr I

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What is rediculous about MV's attitude is that the things you pointed out in your first impressions are things that are now being mentioned by others during comparison tests. Maybe they should have listened to your impressions and done some things to refine the bike before dumping it on the street.

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Chrisowski wrote:
What is rediculous about MV's attitude is that the things you pointed out in your first impressions are things that are now being mentioned by others during comparison tests. Maybe they should have listened to your impressions and done some things to refine the bike before dumping it on the street.

Chrisowski, comments are IMHO! What others may think is up to them, but I am not sure what you are thinking to be honest.

One thing for sure, MV Agusta may well not see 2014 in their present configuration and if those in far away lands that make CCS take over, then it will be a real shame.

Mr I

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Mr Incredulous wrote:
Chrisowski, comments are IMHO! What others may think is up to them, but I am not sure what you are thinking to be honest.

kevash wrote:
I think it looks quite interesting in a rangy sort of way... the drawing is allegedly dead accurate. Won't be long before we see it for real, although I don't know if I'll be riding it, I've been dropped off MV's invitation lists for my unflattering reviews of the F3.

I was merely noting that many of the things that Kevin pointed out in his review which MV (or the distributer there) felt were unflattering to the F3 are things which publications here are now also pointing out as well. If Kevin was dropped off their invitation list for his review, it seems short sided on MV or the distributors part.

I personally have no opinion on the bike (aside from thinking it is a beautiful machine) and was merely pointing out that more journalists than Kevin have found weaknesses which keep the F3 from competing with more refined bikes like the Daytona 675 and Ducati 848. I apologize if my comments weren't more clear in my first post.